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		<title>By: Giovanni Frittoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni Frittoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m italian, living in spain and thinking about this problem since the Euro was made. I&#039;m glad I find somebody talking about this matter abroad (here it is impossible to even talk about it, people were bombed with elementary informations). I THINK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BIGGER THEN WHAT IT MAY APPEAR.
This is my opinion.
First of all: The euro is called &quot;unified currency&quot; but it is a simple equality among different currencies. The europen countries simply changed the name and the design to their bills and called all them &quot;euros&quot;. (the rate exchange from national currencies to 1 euro was the one the markets managed that day, so 1936 liras=1 euro or 166 pesetas=1 euro). Of course it was necessary to understand where they came from, and that&#039;s possible by the letter. The Italian lira was converted to &quot;italian euro&quot;. The german mark to &quot;german euros&quot; etc. Beside that they decided to fix the exchange rate (1 to 1) just like Argentina decided to do some time ago with the US dollar. I would say that so far it is just an &quot;accounting operation&quot;. 
Second: But the single countries CANNOT print what they like. That&#039;s becouse, beside the &quot;accounting operation&quot; at point one, they made two real decisions. They decided to delegate the monetary policy (decision on the quantity of money on the market and official interest rate) to the European central bank.
Also they fixed some criterias the single countries had to respect and the fines if they didn&#039;t (critteria of Maastricht).

Third (and very important): when they made the Euro they DID NOT decide how to get out of this international agreement if a country could not respect those criterias (it&#039;s clear that to give fines to pay to a country that does not respect those criterias just makes things worse and the criterias get even farther).

CONCLUSION
It is obvious that the euro CAN melt down and that single currencies (italian euro, german euro, spanish euro etc.) start floating on the market with different exchange rates. Just like US dollar and Canadian dollar.
That&#039;s as obvious and certain as it is the existance of soverignty of the single european countries.
And I totally agree with JhonRS that the markets can force it, just like they did with states loans (pubblic debts) of different euro countries.
The problem is: HOW DOES THIS GOES?. Friendly or unfriendly?
If forced by the markets, how can the european countries get out of the euro&#039;s agreements? (P.S. Spain actually has a 20% unemployment rate, greece is in recession).
I&#039;m very very very worried about this point. For the notes (money bills and coins) it looks simple (you look at the letter on notes or the design on coins and you know if you have german euro or spanish euro). For the bank&#039;s current accounts and other assets it may also be easy (you look at the residency of the accounts, so if you have an account on the spanish territory you have Spanish euro, if in germany, german euro).
But (and here is the big problem) it is more than 10 years people and companies make national and international contracts in Euro (without deciding if in italian, spanish, german ... ones). And in this 10 years where created an ammount of credit/debts between different countries in &quot;Euros&quot;. As example, spainish banks have received billions of euros from german banks. What was that? German euro or spanish euro? I&#039;m afraid that if we have to melt down the euro, the german banks (the creditors) will say it was german euro and the spanish ones (the debtors) will say that&#039;s in spanish euros. That&#039;s becouse the day after the melt down the spanish euro we can imagine will be worth 50% the german euro. This scares me!
I wish to remember that europe fall into war (twice) this century for a problem of international loans.
I like to think that the founders of euro didn&#039;t think of an exit strategy becouse they dreamed a single country, with a single politics and economical authority, for europe. SO DO I. But here lately people talk about regional independecies (north italy, catalonia in spain, paises bascos etc. etc.).
This is at least what I think I understood. I might be wrong, but I belive the only solution is &quot;one europe one country&quot;. That&#039;s not easy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m italian, living in spain and thinking about this problem since the Euro was made. I&#8217;m glad I find somebody talking about this matter abroad (here it is impossible to even talk about it, people were bombed with elementary informations). I THINK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BIGGER THEN WHAT IT MAY APPEAR.<br />
This is my opinion.<br />
First of all: The euro is called &#8220;unified currency&#8221; but it is a simple equality among different currencies. The europen countries simply changed the name and the design to their bills and called all them &#8220;euros&#8221;. (the rate exchange from national currencies to 1 euro was the one the markets managed that day, so 1936 liras=1 euro or 166 pesetas=1 euro). Of course it was necessary to understand where they came from, and that&#8217;s possible by the letter. The Italian lira was converted to &#8220;italian euro&#8221;. The german mark to &#8220;german euros&#8221; etc. Beside that they decided to fix the exchange rate (1 to 1) just like Argentina decided to do some time ago with the US dollar. I would say that so far it is just an &#8220;accounting operation&#8221;.<br />
Second: But the single countries CANNOT print what they like. That&#8217;s becouse, beside the &#8220;accounting operation&#8221; at point one, they made two real decisions. They decided to delegate the monetary policy (decision on the quantity of money on the market and official interest rate) to the European central bank.<br />
Also they fixed some criterias the single countries had to respect and the fines if they didn&#8217;t (critteria of Maastricht).</p>
<p>Third (and very important): when they made the Euro they DID NOT decide how to get out of this international agreement if a country could not respect those criterias (it&#8217;s clear that to give fines to pay to a country that does not respect those criterias just makes things worse and the criterias get even farther).</p>
<p>CONCLUSION<br />
It is obvious that the euro CAN melt down and that single currencies (italian euro, german euro, spanish euro etc.) start floating on the market with different exchange rates. Just like US dollar and Canadian dollar.<br />
That&#8217;s as obvious and certain as it is the existance of soverignty of the single european countries.<br />
And I totally agree with JhonRS that the markets can force it, just like they did with states loans (pubblic debts) of different euro countries.<br />
The problem is: HOW DOES THIS GOES?. Friendly or unfriendly?<br />
If forced by the markets, how can the european countries get out of the euro&#8217;s agreements? (P.S. Spain actually has a 20% unemployment rate, greece is in recession).<br />
I&#8217;m very very very worried about this point. For the notes (money bills and coins) it looks simple (you look at the letter on notes or the design on coins and you know if you have german euro or spanish euro). For the bank&#8217;s current accounts and other assets it may also be easy (you look at the residency of the accounts, so if you have an account on the spanish territory you have Spanish euro, if in germany, german euro).<br />
But (and here is the big problem) it is more than 10 years people and companies make national and international contracts in Euro (without deciding if in italian, spanish, german &#8230; ones). And in this 10 years where created an ammount of credit/debts between different countries in &#8220;Euros&#8221;. As example, spainish banks have received billions of euros from german banks. What was that? German euro or spanish euro? I&#8217;m afraid that if we have to melt down the euro, the german banks (the creditors) will say it was german euro and the spanish ones (the debtors) will say that&#8217;s in spanish euros. That&#8217;s becouse the day after the melt down the spanish euro we can imagine will be worth 50% the german euro. This scares me!<br />
I wish to remember that europe fall into war (twice) this century for a problem of international loans.<br />
I like to think that the founders of euro didn&#8217;t think of an exit strategy becouse they dreamed a single country, with a single politics and economical authority, for europe. SO DO I. But here lately people talk about regional independecies (north italy, catalonia in spain, paises bascos etc. etc.).<br />
This is at least what I think I understood. I might be wrong, but I belive the only solution is &#8220;one europe one country&#8221;. That&#8217;s not easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Giovanni Frittoli</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206186</link>
		<dc:creator>Giovanni Frittoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m italian, living in spain and thinking about this problem since the Euro was made. I&#039;m glad I find somebody talking about this matter abroad (here it is impossible to even talk about it, people were bombed with elementary informations). I THINK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BIGGER THEN WHAT YOU MAY THINK.
This is my opinion.
First of all: The euro is called &quot;unified currency&quot; but it is a simple equality among different currencies. The europen countries simply changed the name and the design to their bills and called all them &quot;euros&quot;. (the rate exchange from national currencies to 1 euro was the one the markets managed that day, so 1936 liras=1 euro or 166 pesetas=1 euro). Of course it was necessary to understand where they came from, and that&#039;s possible by the letter. The Italian lira was converted to &quot;italian euro&quot;. The german mark to &quot;german euros&quot; etc. Beside that they decided to fix the exchange rate (1 to 1) just like Argentina decided to do some time ago with the US dollar. I would say that so far it is just an &quot;accounting operation&quot;. 
Second: But the single countries CANNOT print what they like. That&#039;s becouse, beside the &quot;accounting operation&quot; at point one, they made two real decisions. They decided to delegate the monetary policy (decision on the quantity of money on the market and official interest rate) to the European central bank.
Also they fixed some criterias the single countries had to respect and the fines if they didn&#039;t (critteria of Maastricht).

Third (and very important): when they made the Euro they DID NOT decide how to get out of this international agreement if a country could not respect those criterias (it&#039;s clear that to give fines to pay to a country that does not respect those criterias just makes things worse and the criterias get even farther).

CONCLUSION
It is obvious that the euro CAN melt down and that single currencies (italian euro, german euro, spanish euro etc.) start floating on the market with different exchange rates. Just like US dollar and Canada dollar.
That&#039;s as obvious and certain as it is the existance of soverignty of the single european countries.
And I totally agree with JhonRS that the markets can force it, just like they did with states loans (pubblic debts) of different euro countries.
The problem is: HOW DOES THIS GOES?. Frinedly or unfriendly?
If forced by the markets, how can the european countries get out of the euro&#039;s agreements? (P.S. Spain actually has a 20% unemployment rate, greece is in recession).
I&#039;m very very very worried about this point. For the notes it looks simple (you look at the letter and you know if you have german euro or spanish euro). For the current accounts and other assets it may also be easy (you look at the residency of the accounts, so if you have an account on the spanish territory you have Spanish euro, if in germany, german euro.
But (and here is the big problem) it is more than 10 years people and companies make national and international contracts in Euro (without deciding if in italian, spanish, german ... ones). And in this 10 years where created an ammount of credit/debts between different countris in &quot;Euro&quot;. As example, spainish banks have received billions euros from german banks. What was that? German euro or spanish euro? I&#039;m afraid that if they try to melt down euro, the german bank (the creditor) will say it was german euro and the spanish one (the debtor) will say that&#039;s in spanish euros. That&#039;s becouse the day after the melt down the spanish euro we can imagine will be worth 50% the german euro.
I wish to remember that europe fall into war (twice) this century for a problem of international loans.
I like to think that the founders of euro didn&#039;t think of an exit strategy becouse they dream a single country, with a single politics and economical authority, for europe. SO DO I. But here lately people talk about regional independecies (north italy, catalonia in spain, paises bascos etc. etc.).
WE NEED ONE EUROPE ONE COUNTRY. HELP!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m italian, living in spain and thinking about this problem since the Euro was made. I&#8217;m glad I find somebody talking about this matter abroad (here it is impossible to even talk about it, people were bombed with elementary informations). I THINK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BIGGER THEN WHAT YOU MAY THINK.<br />
This is my opinion.<br />
First of all: The euro is called &#8220;unified currency&#8221; but it is a simple equality among different currencies. The europen countries simply changed the name and the design to their bills and called all them &#8220;euros&#8221;. (the rate exchange from national currencies to 1 euro was the one the markets managed that day, so 1936 liras=1 euro or 166 pesetas=1 euro). Of course it was necessary to understand where they came from, and that&#8217;s possible by the letter. The Italian lira was converted to &#8220;italian euro&#8221;. The german mark to &#8220;german euros&#8221; etc. Beside that they decided to fix the exchange rate (1 to 1) just like Argentina decided to do some time ago with the US dollar. I would say that so far it is just an &#8220;accounting operation&#8221;.<br />
Second: But the single countries CANNOT print what they like. That&#8217;s becouse, beside the &#8220;accounting operation&#8221; at point one, they made two real decisions. They decided to delegate the monetary policy (decision on the quantity of money on the market and official interest rate) to the European central bank.<br />
Also they fixed some criterias the single countries had to respect and the fines if they didn&#8217;t (critteria of Maastricht).</p>
<p>Third (and very important): when they made the Euro they DID NOT decide how to get out of this international agreement if a country could not respect those criterias (it&#8217;s clear that to give fines to pay to a country that does not respect those criterias just makes things worse and the criterias get even farther).</p>
<p>CONCLUSION<br />
It is obvious that the euro CAN melt down and that single currencies (italian euro, german euro, spanish euro etc.) start floating on the market with different exchange rates. Just like US dollar and Canada dollar.<br />
That&#8217;s as obvious and certain as it is the existance of soverignty of the single european countries.<br />
And I totally agree with JhonRS that the markets can force it, just like they did with states loans (pubblic debts) of different euro countries.<br />
The problem is: HOW DOES THIS GOES?. Frinedly or unfriendly?<br />
If forced by the markets, how can the european countries get out of the euro&#8217;s agreements? (P.S. Spain actually has a 20% unemployment rate, greece is in recession).<br />
I&#8217;m very very very worried about this point. For the notes it looks simple (you look at the letter and you know if you have german euro or spanish euro). For the current accounts and other assets it may also be easy (you look at the residency of the accounts, so if you have an account on the spanish territory you have Spanish euro, if in germany, german euro.<br />
But (and here is the big problem) it is more than 10 years people and companies make national and international contracts in Euro (without deciding if in italian, spanish, german &#8230; ones). And in this 10 years where created an ammount of credit/debts between different countris in &#8220;Euro&#8221;. As example, spainish banks have received billions euros from german banks. What was that? German euro or spanish euro? I&#8217;m afraid that if they try to melt down euro, the german bank (the creditor) will say it was german euro and the spanish one (the debtor) will say that&#8217;s in spanish euros. That&#8217;s becouse the day after the melt down the spanish euro we can imagine will be worth 50% the german euro.<br />
I wish to remember that europe fall into war (twice) this century for a problem of international loans.<br />
I like to think that the founders of euro didn&#8217;t think of an exit strategy becouse they dream a single country, with a single politics and economical authority, for europe. SO DO I. But here lately people talk about regional independecies (north italy, catalonia in spain, paises bascos etc. etc.).<br />
WE NEED ONE EUROPE ONE COUNTRY. HELP!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Norton</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206185</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I&#039;d imagine that bank deposits would be the first to self-segregate.

Read &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomasbarker.com/10/05/euro-fragmentation-yes-sepa-can&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thomasbarker.com/10/05/euro-fragmentation-yes-sepa-can(Link)&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I&#8217;d imagine that bank deposits would be the first to self-segregate.</p>
<p>Read <a href="http://thomasbarker.com/10/05/euro-fragmentation-yes-sepa-can" rel="nofollow">http://thomasbarker.com/10/05/euro-fragmentation-yes-sepa-can(Link)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206184</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think all the Euro members are legally on the hook for all the Euro notes circulating (which is only a fraction of the money in banks). However I can imagine Greece being forced to close its borders for a few days &amp; transfer all notes &amp; bank accounts into New Drachmas. I wonder if there is already a warehouse full of such notes? This is pretty much what the allies did in Western Germany after the war replacing the Occupation Marks which, like the Euro, though officially a common currency, could be printed by all the powers. Didn&#039;t work then either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all the Euro members are legally on the hook for all the Euro notes circulating (which is only a fraction of the money in banks). However I can imagine Greece being forced to close its borders for a few days &#038; transfer all notes &#038; bank accounts into New Drachmas. I wonder if there is already a warehouse full of such notes? This is pretty much what the allies did in Western Germany after the war replacing the Occupation Marks which, like the Euro, though officially a common currency, could be printed by all the powers. Didn&#8217;t work then either.</p>
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		<title>By: hovis</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206183</link>
		<dc:creator>hovis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is wishful thinking - Euro notes are guaranteed by the ECB. Any colapse of teh euro is binary - rather like being pregnant it is or it isnt. So discriminating on where the notes are printed is facile. I am no suporter of the Euro btw]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is wishful thinking &#8211; Euro notes are guaranteed by the ECB. Any colapse of teh euro is binary &#8211; rather like being pregnant it is or it isnt. So discriminating on where the notes are printed is facile. I am no suporter of the Euro btw</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206182</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, JohnRS, while it isn&#039;t the &lt;em&gt;same&lt;/em&gt;, I think the situation with Scottish notes is closer than you might think. The Scottish banks issue their notes under, effectively, licence from the central bank. If word were to get around that one of them was issuing more than it should be (only marginally more likely than a Fed press, and much less so than a Eurozone government, doing the same, but certainly concievable), it would  surely affect the acceptability of those notes. Within living memory, English banks charged a shilling on the pound for handling Scottish and Northern Irish notes.

But I think it&#039;s important that Scottish notes &lt;em&gt;look&lt;/em&gt; different. Little things like that matter. If the various countries&#039; Euro notes had more obvious dinstinguishing features, I can&#039;t help thinking that the venture would have collapsed in chaos years ago. As it is though, it&#039;s quite hard to tell Euros apart, and easy to confront a failure to accept a note with the fact that it&#039;s a Euro, the same as all the other ones in your wallet (certainly easier than pointing out to a truculent English shopkeeper that the Royal Bank of Scotland plc promise to pay the bearer on demand Ten Pounds &lt;em&gt;Sterling&lt;/em&gt;, see, there, dammit). That should limit this effect somewhat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, JohnRS, while it isn&#8217;t the <em>same</em>, I think the situation with Scottish notes is closer than you might think. The Scottish banks issue their notes under, effectively, licence from the central bank. If word were to get around that one of them was issuing more than it should be (only marginally more likely than a Fed press, and much less so than a Eurozone government, doing the same, but certainly concievable), it would  surely affect the acceptability of those notes. Within living memory, English banks charged a shilling on the pound for handling Scottish and Northern Irish notes.</p>
<p>But I think it&#8217;s important that Scottish notes <em>look</em> different. Little things like that matter. If the various countries&#8217; Euro notes had more obvious dinstinguishing features, I can&#8217;t help thinking that the venture would have collapsed in chaos years ago. As it is though, it&#8217;s quite hard to tell Euros apart, and easy to confront a failure to accept a note with the fact that it&#8217;s a Euro, the same as all the other ones in your wallet (certainly easier than pointing out to a truculent English shopkeeper that the Royal Bank of Scotland plc promise to pay the bearer on demand Ten Pounds <em>Sterling</em>, see, there, dammit). That should limit this effect somewhat.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnB</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206180</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You never know what tricks they can get up to, indeed, absolutely anything can happen. But I would think CountingCats is correct.
So much energy, lies and money have/has been devoted to welding Euro into one I doubt they have any plans to allow it to separate. I think their plan of action is more focussed and planned than that.
It will possibly go on to greater things.
The Global Dinar?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You never know what tricks they can get up to, indeed, absolutely anything can happen. But I would think CountingCats is correct.<br />
So much energy, lies and money have/has been devoted to welding Euro into one I doubt they have any plans to allow it to separate. I think their plan of action is more focussed and planned than that.<br />
It will possibly go on to greater things.<br />
The Global Dinar?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnRS</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206181</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comparing Euros from different countries with Scottish/English pounds or US Dollars from different Fed plants overlooks the basic (and essential) difference between both of these currencies and the Euro.

The dollar and pound each come from one country with a single Central Bank plus one set of legal, tax and fiscal rules that cover the whole currency area. There&#039;s a single government and Chancellor/Fed Head. So it&#039;s one country, one currency.

The Euro has no single bank, government, financial environment or controlling political entity and so (in blunt truth) is not a single currency at all. It could easily be split apart into a number of differing &quot;Euros&quot; if folk start to discriminate between currency areas - like they are doing with state loans right across the EU as we speak!! 

Vetting banknotes is just another symptom of the fault lines that are opening up across the EU, despite the vast loans that are supposed to paper over the cracks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing Euros from different countries with Scottish/English pounds or US Dollars from different Fed plants overlooks the basic (and essential) difference between both of these currencies and the Euro.</p>
<p>The dollar and pound each come from one country with a single Central Bank plus one set of legal, tax and fiscal rules that cover the whole currency area. There&#8217;s a single government and Chancellor/Fed Head. So it&#8217;s one country, one currency.</p>
<p>The Euro has no single bank, government, financial environment or controlling political entity and so (in blunt truth) is not a single currency at all. It could easily be split apart into a number of differing &#8220;Euros&#8221; if folk start to discriminate between currency areas &#8211; like they are doing with state loans right across the EU as we speak!! </p>
<p>Vetting banknotes is just another symptom of the fault lines that are opening up across the EU, despite the vast loans that are supposed to paper over the cracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Schuerzinger</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206179</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Schuerzinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim:

When I was in Crimea back in 1992, they were printing &quot;kupony&quot; not for the ruble, but for the ruble-equivalent &lt;i&gt;karbovanets&lt;/i&gt;.  There were kiosk money changers willing to buy ruble notes at par with the kupony.  It struck me as humorous that they thought the ruble was a stable currency, at a time when the Russian ruble had already slid to 100+ to the dollar.  (This before any of the revaluations, of course.)

I still have one that I&#039;ve transferred from wallet to wallet for close to 20 years now, as well as a few in a better condition next to my Latvian ruble notes from the same time that were also on par with the Russian ruble.  And someplace I should have a few old Soviet/Russian &lt;i&gt;one-kopeck&lt;/i&gt; coins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:</p>
<p>When I was in Crimea back in 1992, they were printing &#8220;kupony&#8221; not for the ruble, but for the ruble-equivalent <i>karbovanets</i>.  There were kiosk money changers willing to buy ruble notes at par with the kupony.  It struck me as humorous that they thought the ruble was a stable currency, at a time when the Russian ruble had already slid to 100+ to the dollar.  (This before any of the revaluations, of course.)</p>
<p>I still have one that I&#8217;ve transferred from wallet to wallet for close to 20 years now, as well as a few in a better condition next to my Latvian ruble notes from the same time that were also on par with the Russian ruble.  And someplace I should have a few old Soviet/Russian <i>one-kopeck</i> coins.</p>
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		<title>By: CountingCats</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206178</link>
		<dc:creator>CountingCats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As implied by others, all Euro notes are legal tender, at par, in all countires of the Eurozone. A Portuguese Euro is worth, by definition, one Euro, wherever you are on the globe.

When Portugal starts printing idiosyncratic Portuguese Euros, with a different design, that will be an issue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As implied by others, all Euro notes are legal tender, at par, in all countires of the Eurozone. A Portuguese Euro is worth, by definition, one Euro, wherever you are on the globe.</p>
<p>When Portugal starts printing idiosyncratic Portuguese Euros, with a different design, that will be an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: alecm</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206177</link>
		<dc:creator>alecm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comprehensive list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes#Serial_number]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comprehensive list at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes#Serial_number" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes#Serial_number</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/could-the-euro/#comment-206176</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An analogy might be the break up of the Soviet rouble. One of the problems they had 1990 ish was that all of the now independent but formerly constituent republics had their own printing presses, pumping out entirely valid roubles.

Thus it was Russia that introduced its own rouble......

However, the reason this would be a bad analogy is because the cash euro is such a tiny part of the money supply across the EU zone. Electronic euros are vastly more important and there is no differentiation between them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An analogy might be the break up of the Soviet rouble. One of the problems they had 1990 ish was that all of the now independent but formerly constituent republics had their own printing presses, pumping out entirely valid roubles.</p>
<p>Thus it was Russia that introduced its own rouble&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>However, the reason this would be a bad analogy is because the cash euro is such a tiny part of the money supply across the EU zone. Electronic euros are vastly more important and there is no differentiation between them.</p>
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