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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196789</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I trust some words on Wikipedia - the words I put there.

Seriously if someone has a problem with a Wikipedia article that has a falsehood in it MAKE A FUSS - it often works. For example, (eventually) I stopped the Economist crowd describing their magazine as a &quot;classical liberal&quot; one in favour of &quot;free markets&quot;.

On Germany - I love German seriousness, although it sometimes leads to madness.

I am sure there is a long and detailed load of stuff about how privacy is good and how it is needed for a criminal who has paid his debt, to have a useful life and ...........

Various other stuff.

In Britian the regulation,&quot;do not state the name of a murderer&quot;, would just be passed on a whim (without any of the &quot;scientific&quot; defence) and there would most likely be another regulation &quot;you must state the name of a muderer&quot; put into &quot;law&quot; at exactly the same time.

A German would say &quot;these regulations are contradictary&quot;, but a British Civil Servant would not care (I know - I was one) and would enforce both regulations (our own form of madness).

I get the impression that if Germans could actually be convinced of the value of freedom they would go for it a strong and capable way.

However, there is that convincing them problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trust some words on Wikipedia &#8211; the words I put there.</p>
<p>Seriously if someone has a problem with a Wikipedia article that has a falsehood in it MAKE A FUSS &#8211; it often works. For example, (eventually) I stopped the Economist crowd describing their magazine as a &#8220;classical liberal&#8221; one in favour of &#8220;free markets&#8221;.</p>
<p>On Germany &#8211; I love German seriousness, although it sometimes leads to madness.</p>
<p>I am sure there is a long and detailed load of stuff about how privacy is good and how it is needed for a criminal who has paid his debt, to have a useful life and &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Various other stuff.</p>
<p>In Britian the regulation,&#8221;do not state the name of a murderer&#8221;, would just be passed on a whim (without any of the &#8220;scientific&#8221; defence) and there would most likely be another regulation &#8220;you must state the name of a muderer&#8221; put into &#8220;law&#8221; at exactly the same time.</p>
<p>A German would say &#8220;these regulations are contradictary&#8221;, but a British Civil Servant would not care (I know &#8211; I was one) and would enforce both regulations (our own form of madness).</p>
<p>I get the impression that if Germans could actually be convinced of the value of freedom they would go for it a strong and capable way.</p>
<p>However, there is that convincing them problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196788</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh. Does anybody actually use Wikipedia other than for fun? I mean, come on. Even my Dad, who&#039;s not exactly super tech-savvy, knows more than to trust a single word on Wikipedia, much less a whole string of them.

Sorry. Just being facetious. I do agree that this is going a bit too far. Keep this up, and Freenet, I2P and Tor will get HUGE infrastructural boosts in the forms of people self-forming their own darknets.

But then, expecting a bunch of &lt;em&gt;Euro-legislators&lt;/em&gt; to understand tech is sort of like expecting a puppy to be toilet trained... it can be done, but it would involve a lot of mess at first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. Does anybody actually use Wikipedia other than for fun? I mean, come on. Even my Dad, who&#8217;s not exactly super tech-savvy, knows more than to trust a single word on Wikipedia, much less a whole string of them.</p>
<p>Sorry. Just being facetious. I do agree that this is going a bit too far. Keep this up, and Freenet, I2P and Tor will get HUGE infrastructural boosts in the forms of people self-forming their own darknets.</p>
<p>But then, expecting a bunch of <em>Euro-legislators</em> to understand tech is sort of like expecting a puppy to be toilet trained&#8230; it can be done, but it would involve a lot of mess at first.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Cullen</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196787</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine Cullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[German citizens aren&#039;t the only ones who are being catered to by the German government to remove historical and real information from sites such as Wikipedia. The German government itself is stating that it has the right to control and censor some of the Wikipedia sites. The German government has kept many files regarding the holocaust closed. It is a fully secretive government, in full violation of any democratic principles, and the takeover of the publishing industry worldwide by German book publishers is leading to heavy editing, little unbiased political book publishing and actions fully detrimental to the book publishing industry worldwide. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German citizens aren&#8217;t the only ones who are being catered to by the German government to remove historical and real information from sites such as Wikipedia. The German government itself is stating that it has the right to control and censor some of the Wikipedia sites. The German government has kept many files regarding the holocaust closed. It is a fully secretive government, in full violation of any democratic principles, and the takeover of the publishing industry worldwide by German book publishers is leading to heavy editing, little unbiased political book publishing and actions fully detrimental to the book publishing industry worldwide. </p>
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		<title>By: James Hammerton</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196786</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hammerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freedom is the right to say &quot;Wolfgang Werle was convicted of murdering Walter Sedlmeyer&quot;... and of course 2+2=4!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom is the right to say &#8220;Wolfgang Werle was convicted of murdering Walter Sedlmeyer&#8221;&#8230; and of course 2+2=4!</p>
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		<title>By: Perry de Havilland</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196785</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry de Havilland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent idea Sunfish, sounds like a marriage made in heaven... well, maybe not heaven...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent idea Sunfish, sounds like a marriage made in heaven&#8230; well, maybe not heaven&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sunfish</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196784</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, I guess you&#039;re suggesting that Wolfgang Wehrle and Manfred Lauber (who murdered Walter Sedlmayr and went to prison for it) should apply for jobs at Trafigura?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I guess you&#8217;re suggesting that Wolfgang Wehrle and Manfred Lauber (who murdered Walter Sedlmayr and went to prison for it) should apply for jobs at Trafigura?</p>
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		<title>By: cjf</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196783</link>
		<dc:creator>cjf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best way to promote something, is to outlaw it.
Forbidden knowlege has a great following.
Reverse psycology is a great sale pitch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to promote something, is to outlaw it.<br />
Forbidden knowlege has a great following.<br />
Reverse psycology is a great sale pitch.</p>
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		<title>By: mandrill</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196782</link>
		<dc:creator>mandrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; that fact will simply be cited to justify a worldwide internet censorship protocol under the UN.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...which will be promptly circumvented by all those wonderfully talented geeky people who actually know how the internet works.

Censorship on the internet is nigh on impossible as the network works in such a way that it see such censorship as damage and routes around it. The sheer volume of data travelling over the tubes every second is such that no human could ever hope to read it,  let alone decide whether it deserves the application of a metaphorical black marker.

The genie is out of the bottle and its never going back. Just as old media is being destroyed by the internet, old government and the control of information that they are used to is going to go that way too (along with ideas like copyright, but thats another debate).

The geeks have inherited the earth, its just that the people they&#039;ve inherited it from don&#039;t realise that the funeral was yesterday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> that fact will simply be cited to justify a worldwide internet censorship protocol under the UN.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;which will be promptly circumvented by all those wonderfully talented geeky people who actually know how the internet works.</p>
<p>Censorship on the internet is nigh on impossible as the network works in such a way that it see such censorship as damage and routes around it. The sheer volume of data travelling over the tubes every second is such that no human could ever hope to read it,  let alone decide whether it deserves the application of a metaphorical black marker.</p>
<p>The genie is out of the bottle and its never going back. Just as old media is being destroyed by the internet, old government and the control of information that they are used to is going to go that way too (along with ideas like copyright, but thats another debate).</p>
<p>The geeks have inherited the earth, its just that the people they&#8217;ve inherited it from don&#8217;t realise that the funeral was yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196781</link>
		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, of course. Worldwide enforcement of various countries censorship laws would have a chaotic effect on the internet. HOWEVER, that fact will simply be cited to justify a worldwide internet censorship protocol under the UN.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, of course. Worldwide enforcement of various countries censorship laws would have a chaotic effect on the internet. HOWEVER, that fact will simply be cited to justify a worldwide internet censorship protocol under the UN.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196780</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the German government going to do, stack electrons in a big pile and burn them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the German government going to do, stack electrons in a big pile and burn them?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Tavenner</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/screw-the-germa/#comment-196779</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Tavenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have saved your post to my hard drive.  And Germany can go to stuff itself where the sun doesn&#039;t shine, if they demand I delete it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have saved your post to my hard drive.  And Germany can go to stuff itself where the sun doesn&#8217;t shine, if they demand I delete it.</p>
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