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		<title>By: Laird</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197799</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iowahawk has put his &lt;a href=&quot;http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/11/iowahawk-geographic-the-secret-life-of-climate-researchers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;typically clever spin&lt;/a&gt; on the story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iowahawk has put his <a href="http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/11/iowahawk-geographic-the-secret-life-of-climate-researchers.html" rel="nofollow">typically clever spin</a> on the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Carpenter (LPUK)</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197798</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Carpenter (LPUK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of that Sunday Sport headline:

&quot;WW2 Bomber Found on Moon has DISAPPEARED&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of that Sunday Sport headline:</p>
<p>&#8220;WW2 Bomber Found on Moon has DISAPPEARED&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Micklethwait</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197797</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Micklethwait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read recently that it is now being argued that this claim, about stuff having been lost in 1980, is also a lie.  Actually, it is being said, the dumping of this stuff happened much more recently, only after the FoI requests started arriving.  The proof being that they did, quite recently, some calculations or whatever with recent stuff, which they could only have done if they still had the original stuff.

These CRU people are so deep in the mud of mendacity that nothing they say can now to trusted, about anything.  They now say &lt;em&gt;when&lt;/em&gt; they lost their original data, picking the least disreputable moment they can.  But we shouldn&#039;t take their word for that either.

Let me see if I can find a link.  Yes, found it!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11630&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read recently that it is now being argued that this claim, about stuff having been lost in 1980, is also a lie.  Actually, it is being said, the dumping of this stuff happened much more recently, only after the FoI requests started arriving.  The proof being that they did, quite recently, some calculations or whatever with recent stuff, which they could only have done if they still had the original stuff.</p>
<p>These CRU people are so deep in the mud of mendacity that nothing they say can now to trusted, about anything.  They now say <em>when</em> they lost their original data, picking the least disreputable moment they can.  But we shouldn&#8217;t take their word for that either.</p>
<p>Let me see if I can find a link.  Yes, found it!  <a href="http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11630" rel="nofollow">Here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197796</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tedd, as I understand the situation, most of the data is recoverable from original sources.  There is a possibility that some of the early paper records are not recoverable which would be a big loss to science.

The other thing that may not be recoverable is which stations were used and what corrections were applied to the stations.  From my reading of the CRUtapes so far it appears that most of poor Harry&#039;s job was to recreate V2 of the HadCru temperature series, then update it to V3.  It didn&#039;t go well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tedd, as I understand the situation, most of the data is recoverable from original sources.  There is a possibility that some of the early paper records are not recoverable which would be a big loss to science.</p>
<p>The other thing that may not be recoverable is which stations were used and what corrections were applied to the stations.  From my reading of the CRUtapes so far it appears that most of poor Harry&#8217;s job was to recreate V2 of the HadCru temperature series, then update it to V3.  It didn&#8217;t go well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tedd</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197795</link>
		<dc:creator>Tedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s unclear to me exactly what has been lost.  If the CRU collected data from sources around the world, would it be correct to assume that those sources still have the original data?  If so, it&#039;s then at least theoretically possible to independently construct a new analysis from the original data.  

Surely, it can&#039;t be true that the CRU had the only copy of the source data, and erased it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unclear to me exactly what has been lost.  If the CRU collected data from sources around the world, would it be correct to assume that those sources still have the original data?  If so, it&#8217;s then at least theoretically possible to independently construct a new analysis from the original data.  </p>
<p>Surely, it can&#8217;t be true that the CRU had the only copy of the source data, and erased it.</p>
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		<title>By: Plamus</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197794</link>
		<dc:creator>Plamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you, ladies and gentlemen, seen &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/climategate-hide-the-decline-codified/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?

It&#039;s pretty jaw-dropping, and I am only about 1/10 of the way down the page myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you, ladies and gentlemen, seen <a target="_blank" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/climategate-hide-the-decline-codified/" rel="nofollow">this</a>?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty jaw-dropping, and I am only about 1/10 of the way down the page myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Roue le Jour</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197793</link>
		<dc:creator>Roue le Jour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link, newrouter. That&#039;s an excellent piece.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, newrouter. That&#8217;s an excellent piece.</p>
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		<title>By: newrouter</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197792</link>
		<dc:creator>newrouter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This might be of interest:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Global Warming Fraud and the Future of Science
By J.R. Dunn
The East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU) revelations come as no real surprise to anyone who has closely followed the global-warming saga. The Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) thesis, to give it its semi-official name, is no stranger to fraud. It is no real exaggeration to state that it was fertilized with fraud, marinated in fraud, stewed in fraud, and at last served up to the world as prime, grade-A fraud with nice side orders of fakery and disingenuousness. Damning as they may be, the CRU e-mails are merely the climactic element in an exhaustively long line.

A short tour of previous AGW highlights includes:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/global_warming_fraud_and_the_f.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(Link)&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be of interest:</p>
<blockquote><p>Global Warming Fraud and the Future of Science<br />
By J.R. Dunn<br />
The East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU) revelations come as no real surprise to anyone who has closely followed the global-warming saga. The Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) thesis, to give it its semi-official name, is no stranger to fraud. It is no real exaggeration to state that it was fertilized with fraud, marinated in fraud, stewed in fraud, and at last served up to the world as prime, grade-A fraud with nice side orders of fakery and disingenuousness. Damning as they may be, the CRU e-mails are merely the climactic element in an exhaustively long line.</p>
<p>A short tour of previous AGW highlights includes:</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/global_warming_fraud_and_the_f.html" rel="nofollow">(Link)</a></p>
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		<title>By: peter II paleologos</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197791</link>
		<dc:creator>peter II paleologos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;I couldn&#039;t see anything wrong with the name &quot;Manuel&quot; to be honest... ;-)&lt;/em&gt;

Dunno - it seemed to irk Kim du Toit, so I used my real name.  Sort of.

There&#039;s an interesting bit by Brian Appleyard in the magazine who seems pretty convinced, even by James Lovelock.  That&#039;s fair enough - there are plenty of reasons to be alarmed.   But as Lomborg says, being alarmed is not a reason to invest in mitigations which we know to be useless and cost more than, say, ridding the world of malaria, and he doesn&#039;t have a good counter to that.

Still, good to see the matter being debated and to see the warm-mongerers lose a bit of their pious certainty.  I&#039;d be happy to believe it all if I ever saw a rational counter to objections, but I never have - all I&#039;ve seen is name-calling and this &quot;pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&quot; high-handedness.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I couldn&#8217;t see anything wrong with the name &#8220;Manuel&#8221; to be honest&#8230; <img src='http://www.samizdata.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></p>
<p>Dunno &#8211; it seemed to irk Kim du Toit, so I used my real name.  Sort of.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting bit by Brian Appleyard in the magazine who seems pretty convinced, even by James Lovelock.  That&#8217;s fair enough &#8211; there are plenty of reasons to be alarmed.   But as Lomborg says, being alarmed is not a reason to invest in mitigations which we know to be useless and cost more than, say, ridding the world of malaria, and he doesn&#8217;t have a good counter to that.</p>
<p>Still, good to see the matter being debated and to see the warm-mongerers lose a bit of their pious certainty.  I&#8217;d be happy to believe it all if I ever saw a rational counter to objections, but I never have &#8211; all I&#8217;ve seen is name-calling and this &#8220;pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&#8221; high-handedness.</p>
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		<title>By: lucklucky</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197790</link>
		<dc:creator>lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the state of disaster that Mainstream Media is maybe i should welcome that The Times reports  news from Months ago...

Anyway. We don&#039;t know enough about climate. So all that we have are conjectures and hypothesis.
I try to induce people to research how climate data is collected, its sources, from how much of Land and Sea Atmosphere it came from. It is easy to see we today can&#039;t measure Earth Temperature reliably to the 2&#186;-3&#186;C. It is impossible, there are large chunks of the Planet we don&#039;t have data to begin with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the state of disaster that Mainstream Media is maybe i should welcome that The Times reports  news from Months ago&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway. We don&#8217;t know enough about climate. So all that we have are conjectures and hypothesis.<br />
I try to induce people to research how climate data is collected, its sources, from how much of Land and Sea Atmosphere it came from. It is easy to see we today can&#8217;t measure Earth Temperature reliably to the 2&ordm;-3&ordm;C. It is impossible, there are large chunks of the Planet we don&#8217;t have data to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197789</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this amusing

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZx90EH8N8&amp;feature=player_embedded

Is there some possibility climategate could expand into reportergate? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this amusing</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZx90EH8N8&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sZx90EH8N8&#038;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
<p>Is there some possibility climategate could expand into reportergate? </p>
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		<title>By: RRS</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2009/11/now-this-is-get/#comment-197788</link>
		<dc:creator>RRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the library at Alexandria was burnt.

The living went on to learn, in other ways, other things.

RRS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the library at Alexandria was burnt.</p>
<p>The living went on to learn, in other ways, other things.</p>
<p>RRS</p>
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