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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178169</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a member of a local council - but I still do not believe the idea that if we were paid more there would be better results.

As for Northampton (a few miles away from me in Kettering) - even by the standards of local government it is a mess.

For example they had a massive argument over a seat - not over a electoral seat, over a chair.

No I am not making this up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a member of a local council &#8211; but I still do not believe the idea that if we were paid more there would be better results.</p>
<p>As for Northampton (a few miles away from me in Kettering) &#8211; even by the standards of local government it is a mess.</p>
<p>For example they had a massive argument over a seat &#8211; not over a electoral seat, over a chair.</p>
<p>No I am not making this up.</p>
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		<title>By: steves</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178168</link>
		<dc:creator>steves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if councillors are paid only peanuts the results will be ever more simian


if poilitico&#039;s are paid more than peanuts you get career politico&#039;s who know nothing else but robbing the taxpayer and creating more parasites]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if councillors are paid only peanuts the results will be ever more simian</p>
<p>if poilitico&#8217;s are paid more than peanuts you get career politico&#8217;s who know nothing else but robbing the taxpayer and creating more parasites</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin B</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178167</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually think you&#039;re doing our esteemed public servants who labour in the fields of local government a bit of a disservice here.

Thanks to our wonderful higher education system with it&#039;s emphasis on &#039;Studies&#039; degrees, we have a plethora of young people who are ideally suited to the kind of hard jobs in the local community that no one has bothered to perform before.

Take, for instance, Lesbian Outreach Co-ordinators.  I&#039;m willing to bet that we have the best Lesbian Outreach Co-ordinators in the world.  Well, certainly the most.

Now, as we head into parlous economic straits, our army of trained local government workers can lead the way into recovery.

I can think of any number of counties in the world who are in dire need of Lesbian Outreach Co-ordination services, even if they don&#039;t know it yet, and Britain is ideally placed to provide these. and many other, vital services to the betterment of all.

So how about a bit of praise for the far-sighted policies of our government, who have placed us in the enviable position of having a ready workforce superbly trained in the kind of jobs that are really necessary for our economic survival in these parlous times.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think you&#8217;re doing our esteemed public servants who labour in the fields of local government a bit of a disservice here.</p>
<p>Thanks to our wonderful higher education system with it&#8217;s emphasis on &#8216;Studies&#8217; degrees, we have a plethora of young people who are ideally suited to the kind of hard jobs in the local community that no one has bothered to perform before.</p>
<p>Take, for instance, Lesbian Outreach Co-ordinators.  I&#8217;m willing to bet that we have the best Lesbian Outreach Co-ordinators in the world.  Well, certainly the most.</p>
<p>Now, as we head into parlous economic straits, our army of trained local government workers can lead the way into recovery.</p>
<p>I can think of any number of counties in the world who are in dire need of Lesbian Outreach Co-ordination services, even if they don&#8217;t know it yet, and Britain is ideally placed to provide these. and many other, vital services to the betterment of all.</p>
<p>So how about a bit of praise for the far-sighted policies of our government, who have placed us in the enviable position of having a ready workforce superbly trained in the kind of jobs that are really necessary for our economic survival in these parlous times.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178166</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Council reform - machine gun or flame-thrower?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Council reform &#8211; machine gun or flame-thrower?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkE</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178165</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure I want the &quot;best&quot; person doing some jobs because most of the sinecures created by Gordon over the past eleven years don&#039;t really need doing.  Do you really want an effective five a day officer telling you what you should be eating; an effective real nappy officer telling you what to put on your babies backside; an effectinve diversity officer telling you your house has to burn because they&#039;ve filled their quota for putting out white fires?  I&#039;d far rather have the weakest candidiate who actually wants to sit in a nice comfortable office doing nothing all day.  [I&#039;d prefer not to be paying them at all, but if I must I want to minimise the damage they do]

As for elected politicians, money is not what motivates them, so they would still want the job whatever it paid.  What attracts them to the job is the opportunity to exercise power over others (which does not mean they are averse to lining their pockets as an incidental benefit).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I want the &#8220;best&#8221; person doing some jobs because most of the sinecures created by Gordon over the past eleven years don&#8217;t really need doing.  Do you really want an effective five a day officer telling you what you should be eating; an effective real nappy officer telling you what to put on your babies backside; an effectinve diversity officer telling you your house has to burn because they&#8217;ve filled their quota for putting out white fires?  I&#8217;d far rather have the weakest candidiate who actually wants to sit in a nice comfortable office doing nothing all day.  [I'd prefer not to be paying them at all, but if I must I want to minimise the damage they do]</p>
<p>As for elected politicians, money is not what motivates them, so they would still want the job whatever it paid.  What attracts them to the job is the opportunity to exercise power over others (which does not mean they are averse to lining their pockets as an incidental benefit).</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178164</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with the &#039;got to pay lots to attract the best&#039; mantra is simply: When it comes to re-advertising a job but on much improved pay, the current incumbent is often a shoe in. They have the most relevant experience. Even if they are crap at it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the &#8216;got to pay lots to attract the best&#8217; mantra is simply: When it comes to re-advertising a job but on much improved pay, the current incumbent is often a shoe in. They have the most relevant experience. Even if they are crap at it.</p>
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		<title>By: IanPJ</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178163</link>
		<dc:creator>IanPJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Same thing going on in Hull and East Riding.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Critics-council-directors-reject-pay-increases-12-000/article-444145-detail/article.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Critics-council-directors-reject-pay-increases-12-000/article-444145-detail/article.html&lt;/a&gt;

There really is this fantasy going on. Recession?, what recession? Oh, don&#039;t worry, the taxpayers will cough up again.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing going on in Hull and East Riding.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Critics-council-directors-reject-pay-increases-12-000/article-444145-detail/article.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Critics-council-directors-reject-pay-increases-12-000/article-444145-detail/article.html</a></p>
<p>There really is this fantasy going on. Recession?, what recession? Oh, don&#8217;t worry, the taxpayers will cough up again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178162</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I often hear that argument about paying public servants more to attract more talented employees.

I wonder what these people would think about taking that a bit further and kicking the vast majority of them out of their jobs, and keeping only the most talented people on at very high salaries. Kind of like Singapore, if I&#039;m not mistaken.

I&#039;m guessing it wouldn&#039;t go down too well...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often hear that argument about paying public servants more to attract more talented employees.</p>
<p>I wonder what these people would think about taking that a bit further and kicking the vast majority of them out of their jobs, and keeping only the most talented people on at very high salaries. Kind of like Singapore, if I&#8217;m not mistaken.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing it wouldn&#8217;t go down too well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/11/local-democracy/#comment-178161</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The description of Mr Conway appears to be accurate: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/councillors/mgUserInfo.asp?UID=2242&amp;J=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/councillors/mgUserInfo.asp?UID=2242&amp;J=1&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The description of Mr Conway appears to be accurate: <a href="http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/councillors/mgUserInfo.asp?UID=2242&#038;J=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/councillors/mgUserInfo.asp?UID=2242&#038;J=1</a></p>
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