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		<title>By: curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161422</link>
		<dc:creator>curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its been mentioned before but I think bears repeating : shareholders &#039;hold&#039; an implicit option they can sell their shares in the market ( implicitely &#039;cashing out&#039;..for them the company is winding up and distributing cash to them...that should be what a share is worth anyway )..or hold on in a belief that the managment team can continue to perform. In so far as the &#039;fold up&#039; option is already avaialble to a shareholder ..this (folding up MS) is probably a non starter ...the market will decide the probablity of success of such a venture ...we may idle all we want but the guys with skin in the game seem to think its not such a bad idea so far....For a dispassionate observer you have a well entrenched player (GOOG) earning pretty margins ....two of its big competitors are preparing to merge to compete ...in ANY other industry that would be the way to go....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its been mentioned before but I think bears repeating : shareholders &#8216;hold&#8217; an implicit option they can sell their shares in the market ( implicitely &#8216;cashing out&#8217;..for them the company is winding up and distributing cash to them&#8230;that should be what a share is worth anyway )..or hold on in a belief that the managment team can continue to perform. In so far as the &#8216;fold up&#8217; option is already avaialble to a shareholder ..this (folding up MS) is probably a non starter &#8230;the market will decide the probablity of success of such a venture &#8230;we may idle all we want but the guys with skin in the game seem to think its not such a bad idea so far&#8230;.For a dispassionate observer you have a well entrenched player (GOOG) earning pretty margins &#8230;.two of its big competitors are preparing to merge to compete &#8230;in ANY other industry that would be the way to go&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161421</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re called teething problems. Not to mention overpromise, underdeliver. Not to mention that MS forgot people as a whole hate change (no matter what comes out of their mouths) and Vista is a whole lot of change in terms of UI. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of horsepower you need to enjoy Vista. Not to mention, finally, the fact that UAC is a serious bummer.

All in all, I like Vista + patches. Vista SP1 promises to be a much better proposition, I think. Vista SP2 will probably be the ideal (we can hope). Games running on DX10 feature some serious eye candy (but not so much on audio - see OpenAL).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re called teething problems. Not to mention overpromise, underdeliver. Not to mention that MS forgot people as a whole hate change (no matter what comes out of their mouths) and Vista is a whole lot of change in terms of UI. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of horsepower you need to enjoy Vista. Not to mention, finally, the fact that UAC is a serious bummer.</p>
<p>All in all, I like Vista + patches. Vista SP1 promises to be a much better proposition, I think. Vista SP2 will probably be the ideal (we can hope). Games running on DX10 feature some serious eye candy (but not so much on audio &#8211; see OpenAL).</p>
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		<title>By: CFM</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161420</link>
		<dc:creator>CFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm. I&#039;m running Vista Ultimate 64 bit, and it works just fine. Fast, stable, and lots of features. Why are so many folks so upset with it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. I&#8217;m running Vista Ultimate 64 bit, and it works just fine. Fast, stable, and lots of features. Why are so many folks so upset with it?</p>
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		<title>By: Wind Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161419</link>
		<dc:creator>Wind Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could really care less what Microsoft does with their money.

I do believe their bid for Yahoo, while in line with their past practice of simply purchasing capabilities, instead of initially  developing them. Their most recent attempt at internal product development , without using someone else&#039;s work as a starting point, has been a notable failure - Vista. Aside from the annoying aspects that the average consumer is currently experiencing, anyone that listened to the vaunted promises and took a look at the initial &quot;Longhorn&quot; betas (&quot;Longhorn&quot; was, at one point, an early developmental name for the Vista project), realizes this. This strategy, acquisition versus development, has served them in the past, but the formula probably won&#039;t be as magical this time around.  

In the previous instances, Microsoft acquired realatively unknown apps that didn&#039;t really have comparable competitors that were widely known - and as such, the Microsoft appropriated and tweaked versions were &quot;new&quot; to the consumer base. 

In this case, there already is widely known competition, in the form of Google, and their online services. And while Microsoft is probably hoping to salvage/resurect their online sector, there&#039;s already a less than favorable brand impression in the Microsoft part, and the Yahoo portion, well, it&#039;s not so super-duper spectacular as to grab or re-grab a huge market share simply because of the merger. People may check it out from curiosity, but the window of opportunity for the product line to razzle, dazzle, and excite will be very, very small. And if it fails to dazzle, they&#039;re done.

And while Microsoft has been able to foist off warmed over versions of the same old pig in new lipstick with their various OS and Office releases over the past 10 years, due to the cost of Microsoft divestment being significant - when considering not only up front software cost,  but support and training for IT staff and employees, as well as the uncertainty of the efficient continuation of critical business processes during and immediately after &#039;switching horses&#039; - in this instance they don&#039;t have a &#039;captive audience&#039; of customers already in the bag.

Which leads me to just snicker at the thought of this merger idea, and the reasons for doing it. 

And yes, it&#039;s Microsoft&#039;s money. To do with whatever they (and their shareholders) want. 

I say &lt;i&gt;go for it, guys&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could really care less what Microsoft does with their money.</p>
<p>I do believe their bid for Yahoo, while in line with their past practice of simply purchasing capabilities, instead of initially  developing them. Their most recent attempt at internal product development , without using someone else&#8217;s work as a starting point, has been a notable failure &#8211; Vista. Aside from the annoying aspects that the average consumer is currently experiencing, anyone that listened to the vaunted promises and took a look at the initial &#8220;Longhorn&#8221; betas (&#8220;Longhorn&#8221; was, at one point, an early developmental name for the Vista project), realizes this. This strategy, acquisition versus development, has served them in the past, but the formula probably won&#8217;t be as magical this time around.  </p>
<p>In the previous instances, Microsoft acquired realatively unknown apps that didn&#8217;t really have comparable competitors that were widely known &#8211; and as such, the Microsoft appropriated and tweaked versions were &#8220;new&#8221; to the consumer base. </p>
<p>In this case, there already is widely known competition, in the form of Google, and their online services. And while Microsoft is probably hoping to salvage/resurect their online sector, there&#8217;s already a less than favorable brand impression in the Microsoft part, and the Yahoo portion, well, it&#8217;s not so super-duper spectacular as to grab or re-grab a huge market share simply because of the merger. People may check it out from curiosity, but the window of opportunity for the product line to razzle, dazzle, and excite will be very, very small. And if it fails to dazzle, they&#8217;re done.</p>
<p>And while Microsoft has been able to foist off warmed over versions of the same old pig in new lipstick with their various OS and Office releases over the past 10 years, due to the cost of Microsoft divestment being significant &#8211; when considering not only up front software cost,  but support and training for IT staff and employees, as well as the uncertainty of the efficient continuation of critical business processes during and immediately after &#8216;switching horses&#8217; &#8211; in this instance they don&#8217;t have a &#8216;captive audience&#8217; of customers already in the bag.</p>
<p>Which leads me to just snicker at the thought of this merger idea, and the reasons for doing it. </p>
<p>And yes, it&#8217;s Microsoft&#8217;s money. To do with whatever they (and their shareholders) want. </p>
<p>I say <i>go for it, guys</i></p>
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		<title>By: chris strange</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161418</link>
		<dc:creator>chris strange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft&#039;s directors should be able to do what they want with the company&#039;s money, just as the share holders should be able to withdraw their capital if they don&#039;t like the way that the company&#039;s directors are using it. Property rights after all. As for Microsoft&#039;s recent problems I would say that this is simply a problem of too much beaucracy, which can happen in companies just as it always happens in the state. Luckily the market does tend to punish any company that gets to clumsy and there are always smaller rivals just itching to steal their lunch, just as Microsoft once did to IBM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft&#8217;s directors should be able to do what they want with the company&#8217;s money, just as the share holders should be able to withdraw their capital if they don&#8217;t like the way that the company&#8217;s directors are using it. Property rights after all. As for Microsoft&#8217;s recent problems I would say that this is simply a problem of too much beaucracy, which can happen in companies just as it always happens in the state. Luckily the market does tend to punish any company that gets to clumsy and there are always smaller rivals just itching to steal their lunch, just as Microsoft once did to IBM.</p>
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		<title>By: R C Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161417</link>
		<dc:creator>R C Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;One over-the-hill business buying another over-the-hill business, and shoving them together with giant bulldozers.&lt;/i&gt;

One is reminded of Time Warner and AOL.

How did that turn out?  My recollection is that Time Warner lost its shirt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One over-the-hill business buying another over-the-hill business, and shoving them together with giant bulldozers.</i></p>
<p>One is reminded of Time Warner and AOL.</p>
<p>How did that turn out?  My recollection is that Time Warner lost its shirt.</p>
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		<title>By: JerryM</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161416</link>
		<dc:creator>JerryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a long time shareholder, I agree it would be nice to get some of that cash back in dividends as they did several years ago with a $3 share special dividend.

But one of the biggest assets Yahoo has is those millions of @yahoo.com addresses, something GOOG does not have. 

Also, xbox has a pretty good reputation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long time shareholder, I agree it would be nice to get some of that cash back in dividends as they did several years ago with a $3 share special dividend.</p>
<p>But one of the biggest assets Yahoo has is those millions of @yahoo.com addresses, something GOOG does not have. </p>
<p>Also, xbox has a pretty good reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Thin Man</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161415</link>
		<dc:creator>The Thin Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the factor you are not considering, and it should be considered, is the effect on most businesses of sudden MS withdrawal from the market. 

Many thousands of small and medium businesses are totally Microsoft powered and their investments in the technology (Server 2003 and now 2008, MS SQL Server, Exchange Server ISA Server, System Management Server, Sharepoint Server and many others) and the training and intellectual resources invested in M$ are enormous (that $40 billion did not just come from desktop operating systems and office). 

It is still the case, for example that Microsoft Accreditation - MCSE or MCSA qualifications for example, along with Cisco qualifications are still trhe absolute benchmarks for hiring IT support staff.

Whatever M$ shortcomings and failings, manifold indeed, the cost (in operational and HR terms) to many businesses of a sudden withdrawal from the market would be terrifying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the factor you are not considering, and it should be considered, is the effect on most businesses of sudden MS withdrawal from the market. </p>
<p>Many thousands of small and medium businesses are totally Microsoft powered and their investments in the technology (Server 2003 and now 2008, MS SQL Server, Exchange Server ISA Server, System Management Server, Sharepoint Server and many others) and the training and intellectual resources invested in M$ are enormous (that $40 billion did not just come from desktop operating systems and office). </p>
<p>It is still the case, for example that Microsoft Accreditation &#8211; MCSE or MCSA qualifications for example, along with Cisco qualifications are still trhe absolute benchmarks for hiring IT support staff.</p>
<p>Whatever M$ shortcomings and failings, manifold indeed, the cost (in operational and HR terms) to many businesses of a sudden withdrawal from the market would be terrifying.</p>
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		<title>By: Annoying Old Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161414</link>
		<dc:creator>Annoying Old Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Micklethwait;

With regard to MicroSoft saving the money, that&#039;s actually very difficult for corporations and amounts that large. Unless you think Yahoo! is going to crash and burn, buying their stock is a way of saving / investing that money.

Mr. Mills;

That&#039;s an interesting idea. One that might be implemented by keeping XP alive for backwards compatibility, so that the Vista successor can start cleaner.

As for using a Linux base, honestly the NT kernel is fine and has quite a lot of nice features and structure, speaking as some one who has done both Unix and NT kernel hacking. I think Vista&#039;s problems are at a much higher level than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Micklethwait;</p>
<p>With regard to MicroSoft saving the money, that&#8217;s actually very difficult for corporations and amounts that large. Unless you think Yahoo! is going to crash and burn, buying their stock is a way of saving / investing that money.</p>
<p>Mr. Mills;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting idea. One that might be implemented by keeping XP alive for backwards compatibility, so that the Vista successor can start cleaner.</p>
<p>As for using a Linux base, honestly the NT kernel is fine and has quite a lot of nice features and structure, speaking as some one who has done both Unix and NT kernel hacking. I think Vista&#8217;s problems are at a much higher level than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick M</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161413</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no better online solution - obviously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no better online solution &#8211; obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick M</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161412</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[andyinsdca,
The PC is like Mark Twain. Rumours of it&#039;s death are greatly exagerated. Remember the whole Oracle net computer thing? That really broke the mold didn&#039;t it?

No, you don&#039;t need a $1000 PC for those things but... it sure as hell makes life easier and $1000 is not a huge amount of money compared to the utility most of us will get out of the machine over it&#039;s life-time. And then there are people who do want to play CoD or do video editing, or graphic design or coding or any number of things for which there is hitherto (or in the forceable future) better online solution. 

I&#039;d much rather run my stuff on a machine under the desk than on some sodding server elsewhere. I mean some people create on their machines. They don&#039;t just consume and their is always going to be a need for something more than a glorified smart-phone. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andyinsdca,<br />
The PC is like Mark Twain. Rumours of it&#8217;s death are greatly exagerated. Remember the whole Oracle net computer thing? That really broke the mold didn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>No, you don&#8217;t need a $1000 PC for those things but&#8230; it sure as hell makes life easier and $1000 is not a huge amount of money compared to the utility most of us will get out of the machine over it&#8217;s life-time. And then there are people who do want to play CoD or do video editing, or graphic design or coding or any number of things for which there is hitherto (or in the forceable future) better online solution. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather run my stuff on a machine under the desk than on some sodding server elsewhere. I mean some people create on their machines. They don&#8217;t just consume and their is always going to be a need for something more than a glorified smart-phone. </p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Levasseur</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2008/02/microsoft-shoul/#comment-161411</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Levasseur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Anti-Bankruptcy&quot;?

I think a better way of putting it would be to call it the retirement of a corporation. Sounds much more graceful.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anti-Bankruptcy&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think a better way of putting it would be to call it the retirement of a corporation. Sounds much more graceful.</p>
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