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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143723</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EXACTLY!!!! I hope this starts a movement!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXACTLY!!!! I hope this starts a movement!</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrer</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143722</link>
		<dc:creator>David Farrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thad needs &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=185&amp;Itemid=59&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one of these!&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thad needs <a href="http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=185&#038;Itemid=59" rel="nofollow">one of these!</a></p>
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		<title>By: pietr</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143721</link>
		<dc:creator>pietr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Omigod! You&#039;ve been called &#039;boorish&#039;!
That must be the evidence on global warming we&#039;ve all been waiting for!
Case proven!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omigod! You&#8217;ve been called &#8216;boorish&#8217;!<br />
That must be the evidence on global warming we&#8217;ve all been waiting for!<br />
Case proven!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143720</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will we also see the carbon footprint of government/council &quot;services&quot;. If so, no doubt this will lead to more over paid cosultants to work it all out,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will we also see the carbon footprint of government/council &#8220;services&#8221;. If so, no doubt this will lead to more over paid cosultants to work it all out,</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143719</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will we also see the carbon footprint of government/council &quot;services&quot;. If so, no doubt this will lead to more over paid cosultants to work it all out,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will we also see the carbon footprint of government/council &#8220;services&#8221;. If so, no doubt this will lead to more over paid cosultants to work it all out,</p>
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		<title>By: nemo paradise</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143718</link>
		<dc:creator>nemo paradise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funniest part of the Gaia hypothesis is its weird assumption that humans and their actions -- including technology -- are not by definition an integral part of the organism and its processes, as well as its progress.

Ultimately, Gaia should evolve into a machine, with little or no distinction between so-called &quot;organic&quot; components and synthetic parts.  The &quot;Gaiasts&quot; want the earth to be a giant fern.  Not happening.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funniest part of the Gaia hypothesis is its weird assumption that humans and their actions &#8212; including technology &#8212; are not by definition an integral part of the organism and its processes, as well as its progress.</p>
<p>Ultimately, Gaia should evolve into a machine, with little or no distinction between so-called &#8220;organic&#8221; components and synthetic parts.  The &#8220;Gaiasts&#8221; want the earth to be a giant fern.  Not happening.  </p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143717</link>
		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The planet&#8217;s indifference to the passions and trials of human life becomes the worldview we ourselves assume.

Thanks to MarkE and Mid for the link. What a cracking article.
It stitches together various trains of thought that I have had lately.
One being this God and Gaia nonsense.
If there is a God He/She is doing a piss poor job as 99% of all species of all life that has ever existed on this planet is already extinct.
Fuck up or favoritism?
Neither. Just cold hard rock that&#039;s hurtling through the universe without a thought in its head-
And us clinging on to it as best we can.
In the face of the facts, we should be rowdy and raucus!
Do not go gently into that goodnight!
Cos the planet doesn&#039;t care a bugger either way!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The planet&rsquo;s indifference to the passions and trials of human life becomes the worldview we ourselves assume.</p>
<p>Thanks to MarkE and Mid for the link. What a cracking article.<br />
It stitches together various trains of thought that I have had lately.<br />
One being this God and Gaia nonsense.<br />
If there is a God He/She is doing a piss poor job as 99% of all species of all life that has ever existed on this planet is already extinct.<br />
Fuck up or favoritism?<br />
Neither. Just cold hard rock that&#8217;s hurtling through the universe without a thought in its head-<br />
And us clinging on to it as best we can.<br />
In the face of the facts, we should be rowdy and raucus!<br />
Do not go gently into that goodnight!<br />
Cos the planet doesn&#8217;t care a bugger either way!</p>
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		<title>By: Midwesterner</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143716</link>
		<dc:creator>Midwesterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A money quote from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3406/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the article MarkE linked&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is how the global warming debate generally progresses, with the two sides invoking &#8216;the science&#8217; rather like divisions of Christians invoking the Bible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;But there is another way to approach this question, which is to look at the political circumstances in which climatic science is produced, a process that also has its own laws and patterns. It is strange, at a time when the social construction of science is an established idea (Thomas Kuhn&#8217;s 1962 book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, in which he describes science&#8217;s progress through &#8216;paradigms&#8217;, is on every undergraduate&#8217;s reading list) that nobody thinks to look at the social construction of global warming theories. Global warming science is being produced in highly febrile times; and history tells us that the more the political temperature rises, the more science&#8217;s view of nature is distorted.&lt;/blockquote&gt; ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A money quote from <a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3406/" rel="nofollow">the article MarkE linked</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>This is how the global warming debate generally progresses, with the two sides invoking &lsquo;the science&rsquo; rather like divisions of Christians invoking the Bible.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>But there is another way to approach this question, which is to look at the political circumstances in which climatic science is produced, a process that also has its own laws and patterns. It is strange, at a time when the social construction of science is an established idea (Thomas Kuhn&rsquo;s 1962 book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, in which he describes science&rsquo;s progress through &lsquo;paradigms&rsquo;, is on every undergraduate&rsquo;s reading list) that nobody thinks to look at the social construction of global warming theories. Global warming science is being produced in highly febrile times; and history tells us that the more the political temperature rises, the more science&rsquo;s view of nature is distorted.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: MarkE</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143715</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting article here:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3406/&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article here:<br />
<a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3406/</a rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Johnathan Pearce</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143714</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnathan Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Ho ho ho. How originally boorish. Were it not for an infinite amount of Jeremy Clarksons having done this kind of tedium to death already it might raise an avalanche of tittering.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So what? There is nothing tedious about it. I guess people like the author of that snide remark just cannot take the pressure of having their boilerplate flat-earth views set up for ridicule. 

Expect more of this &quot;tedium&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ho ho ho. How originally boorish. Were it not for an infinite amount of Jeremy Clarksons having done this kind of tedium to death already it might raise an avalanche of tittering.</p></blockquote>
<p>So what? There is nothing tedious about it. I guess people like the author of that snide remark just cannot take the pressure of having their boilerplate flat-earth views set up for ridicule. </p>
<p>Expect more of this &#8220;tedium&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkE</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143713</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I might be more willing to accept anthropogenic climate change when I start to see serious discussion of solutions to a changing climate instead of prophylactic measures that &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; reduce our output of carbon, which &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; reduce the concentration of atmospheric carbon, which &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; reverse, stop or slow climate change, but &lt;em&gt;wil&lt;/em&gt;l fit an anti capitalist agenda.

I periodically ask about such measures as developing better flood defences suitable for those countries that are likely to suffer most, or crops that are better suited to a warmer climate, possibly including GM*.  My contributions to such sites as the BBC&#039;s &quot;Have Your Say&quot; are seldom published, yet I am a well brought up boy who seldom uses strong language and tries not to make personal attacks.  I tend to look on this as evidence that those responsible do not want to discuss solution, just promote their own agendas.  The proposal by Gore that climate change denial be made a crime equivalent to holocaust denial served only to reinforce this opinion for me.

None the less, I cannot persuade myself that gratuitously causing pollution could be deemed virtuous and I avoid doing it (I also pay my oown fuel bills, so that may be a consideration).  Doesn&#039;t stop me claiming to pollute more than I do to wind up the greens though.

*I read recently that the Italians were developing GM tomatoes capable of growing with less water in case of ACC causing droughts, and they had to do it in Texas, GM research being banned in the EU.  Wish I could remember where I saw it.

[and what was Italian cooking like before the introduction of pasta in the 13th century, and the tomato in the 17th?]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be more willing to accept anthropogenic climate change when I start to see serious discussion of solutions to a changing climate instead of prophylactic measures that <em>might</em> reduce our output of carbon, which <em>might</em> reduce the concentration of atmospheric carbon, which <em>might</em> reverse, stop or slow climate change, but <em>wil</em>l fit an anti capitalist agenda.</p>
<p>I periodically ask about such measures as developing better flood defences suitable for those countries that are likely to suffer most, or crops that are better suited to a warmer climate, possibly including GM*.  My contributions to such sites as the BBC&#8217;s &#8220;Have Your Say&#8221; are seldom published, yet I am a well brought up boy who seldom uses strong language and tries not to make personal attacks.  I tend to look on this as evidence that those responsible do not want to discuss solution, just promote their own agendas.  The proposal by Gore that climate change denial be made a crime equivalent to holocaust denial served only to reinforce this opinion for me.</p>
<p>None the less, I cannot persuade myself that gratuitously causing pollution could be deemed virtuous and I avoid doing it (I also pay my oown fuel bills, so that may be a consideration).  Doesn&#8217;t stop me claiming to pollute more than I do to wind up the greens though.</p>
<p>*I read recently that the Italians were developing GM tomatoes capable of growing with less water in case of ACC causing droughts, and they had to do it in Texas, GM research being banned in the EU.  Wish I could remember where I saw it.</p>
<p>[and what was Italian cooking like before the introduction of pasta in the 13th century, and the tomato in the 17th?]</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2007/05/while-my-gaia-g/#comment-143712</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question of man caused global warming, as I see it is as follows:
- Man burns fossil fuels and releases CO2 into the atmosphere, the concentration of CO2 has gone from 280 ppm ( 0.028%) to 380 ppm (0.038%).
- CO2 is a grenhouse gas, and causes some warming.
These are facts. (almost undisputed).

The question is &lt;strong&gt;HOW MUCH &lt;/strong&gt;warming.

The answer - as far as measurable facts are concerned, i.e. the warming so far: 2/3 of a degree C. No big deal.

As to the future - there are several possible answers; we (science) don&#039;t know which is true:

1. A minuscule amount, that is indiscernible in the general natural climate variation (like what happened so far).
2. A small (but discernible) amount - a couple of degrees or so. This is what the (worthless) climate models show. This is what the IPCC report says. 
This warming has positive and negative effects, and the negative ones are small, we can easily adapt.
3.Catastrophic warming. For this to happen a warming runaway feedback loop has to take hold. Of this there is &lt;strong&gt;absolutely no scientific indication&lt;/strong&gt;. 

So the alarmist view, of a catastrophic warming is based on nothing, NOTHING AT ALL, except irrational fear. The alarmists themselves concede this point: there is no scientific indication of a warming feedback loop. It is just a vague possibility, it is in theory possible, but there is absolutely no indication that it is happening.

Would it be desirable to reduce CO2 emissions? Yes. (Would it be desirable to eliminate poverty? Yes.) Is it possible? No. (in both cases).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of man caused global warming, as I see it is as follows:<br />
- Man burns fossil fuels and releases CO2 into the atmosphere, the concentration of CO2 has gone from 280 ppm ( 0.028%) to 380 ppm (0.038%).<br />
- CO2 is a grenhouse gas, and causes some warming.<br />
These are facts. (almost undisputed).</p>
<p>The question is <strong>HOW MUCH </strong>warming.</p>
<p>The answer &#8211; as far as measurable facts are concerned, i.e. the warming so far: 2/3 of a degree C. No big deal.</p>
<p>As to the future &#8211; there are several possible answers; we (science) don&#8217;t know which is true:</p>
<p>1. A minuscule amount, that is indiscernible in the general natural climate variation (like what happened so far).<br />
2. A small (but discernible) amount &#8211; a couple of degrees or so. This is what the (worthless) climate models show. This is what the IPCC report says.<br />
This warming has positive and negative effects, and the negative ones are small, we can easily adapt.<br />
3.Catastrophic warming. For this to happen a warming runaway feedback loop has to take hold. Of this there is <strong>absolutely no scientific indication</strong>. </p>
<p>So the alarmist view, of a catastrophic warming is based on nothing, NOTHING AT ALL, except irrational fear. The alarmists themselves concede this point: there is no scientific indication of a warming feedback loop. It is just a vague possibility, it is in theory possible, but there is absolutely no indication that it is happening.</p>
<p>Would it be desirable to reduce CO2 emissions? Yes. (Would it be desirable to eliminate poverty? Yes.) Is it possible? No. (in both cases).</p>
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