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	<title>Comments on: Bruce Bueno de Mesquita on the logic of political survival and the two faces of King Leopold II of Belgium</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122505</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, chaps. That&#039;s done the trick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, chaps. That&#8217;s done the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122504</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Off Topic:

Hello, chaps. I&#039;m having a slight problem with your admirable site; the page I get from it appears to be stuck at August the 16th. Any idea what I can do about it?

&lt;em&gt;Editors note: our site is fine, you just need to clear your browser cache.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
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<p>Hello, chaps. I&#8217;m having a slight problem with your admirable site; the page I get from it appears to be stuck at August the 16th. Any idea what I can do about it?</p>
<p><em>Editors note: our site is fine, you just need to clear your browser cache.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marks</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122503</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Leopold faced a different system at home from what he faced in Africa - so he had to be a Constitutional Monarch in Belgium but not in the Congo.

In the Congo there were plenty of tribesmen he could hire who were prepared to do anything to &quot;get the job done&quot;.

Of course these tribesmen had robbed, raped and murdered before Leopold&#039;s representatives turned up, and continued to do so after the Beligums left.

Indeed about the only time they did not was when the Congo was under the direct rule of the Belgium Parliament - from 1908 to 1960.

But modern people do not like to be informed of this.

However, the Belgium government did carry on the policy of &quot;developing&quot; the Congo.

Modern weapons may not be needed for mass murder (cutting tools can be used to kill hundreds of thousands - as has often be shown in history), but roads and railways are a useful way of getting large numbers of people through the jungle.

And getting large numbers of people through the jungle is not always a good thing.

Now is the transport of goods always a good thing - for example it may be a matter of moving plunder to support an expanded city mob population.

The &quot;Little Englanders&quot; argued against imperialism on the grounds that it both tended to make a loss (which British colonies normally did - perhaps because the British, contrary to what is now taught, tended not to plunder after an area was under Imperial control) and because traditional Chiefs would tend to govern best than falsely Westernized Africans.

In spite of the great work of men like Lord Lugard (ignored or attacked today) the Little Englanders were most likely correct.

Although Lugard and others would have said &quot;if we do not take over, someone like Leopold will&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Leopold faced a different system at home from what he faced in Africa &#8211; so he had to be a Constitutional Monarch in Belgium but not in the Congo.</p>
<p>In the Congo there were plenty of tribesmen he could hire who were prepared to do anything to &#8220;get the job done&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course these tribesmen had robbed, raped and murdered before Leopold&#8217;s representatives turned up, and continued to do so after the Beligums left.</p>
<p>Indeed about the only time they did not was when the Congo was under the direct rule of the Belgium Parliament &#8211; from 1908 to 1960.</p>
<p>But modern people do not like to be informed of this.</p>
<p>However, the Belgium government did carry on the policy of &#8220;developing&#8221; the Congo.</p>
<p>Modern weapons may not be needed for mass murder (cutting tools can be used to kill hundreds of thousands &#8211; as has often be shown in history), but roads and railways are a useful way of getting large numbers of people through the jungle.</p>
<p>And getting large numbers of people through the jungle is not always a good thing.</p>
<p>Now is the transport of goods always a good thing &#8211; for example it may be a matter of moving plunder to support an expanded city mob population.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Little Englanders&#8221; argued against imperialism on the grounds that it both tended to make a loss (which British colonies normally did &#8211; perhaps because the British, contrary to what is now taught, tended not to plunder after an area was under Imperial control) and because traditional Chiefs would tend to govern best than falsely Westernized Africans.</p>
<p>In spite of the great work of men like Lord Lugard (ignored or attacked today) the Little Englanders were most likely correct.</p>
<p>Although Lugard and others would have said &#8220;if we do not take over, someone like Leopold will&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122502</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James Bucannan, Nobel, &quot;Public Choice&quot;, google, read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Bucannan, Nobel, &#8220;Public Choice&#8221;, google, read.</p>
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		<title>By: SK Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122501</link>
		<dc:creator>SK Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But Stuart, it&#039;s only once you&#039;ve achieved the pinnacle of power in the US that you have limitations placed upon you.  Who are the most talked about presidential contenders in the upcoming &#039;08 elections - a gaggle of senators, a few governors, and a former vice-president - almost all of whom are career politicians.  Even former presidents, who no longer have a formal role, play a substantial role in public life.  Unless you count that shrinking violet, Bill Clinton.  What ever happened to him? You never hear a thing about him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Stuart, it&#8217;s only once you&#8217;ve achieved the pinnacle of power in the US that you have limitations placed upon you.  Who are the most talked about presidential contenders in the upcoming &#8217;08 elections &#8211; a gaggle of senators, a few governors, and a former vice-president &#8211; almost all of whom are career politicians.  Even former presidents, who no longer have a formal role, play a substantial role in public life.  Unless you count that shrinking violet, Bill Clinton.  What ever happened to him? You never hear a thing about him.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122500</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;every leader, no matter what the system, tries to stay in office and prosper&quot;

That may be true for Britain&#039;s &quot;Prostitutional Monarchy&#039; but not here; the Prez gets two terms and hits the road.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;every leader, no matter what the system, tries to stay in office and prosper&#8221;</p>
<p>That may be true for Britain&#8217;s &#8220;Prostitutional Monarchy&#8217; but not here; the Prez gets two terms and hits the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred E. Neuman</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122499</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred E. Neuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least withdrawing foreign aid forces the hands of corrupt/incompetent rulers, and on top of that, if the foreign aid is propping them up, it removes that support as well.  If they don&#039;t change their ways, as nic posits, it can&#039;t last long, at least.

If the foreign aid isn&#039;t getting to the people, what&#039;s the point anyway (not to mention that it&#039;s our money our politicians are giving away)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least withdrawing foreign aid forces the hands of corrupt/incompetent rulers, and on top of that, if the foreign aid is propping them up, it removes that support as well.  If they don&#8217;t change their ways, as nic posits, it can&#8217;t last long, at least.</p>
<p>If the foreign aid isn&#8217;t getting to the people, what&#8217;s the point anyway (not to mention that it&#8217;s our money our politicians are giving away)?</p>
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		<title>By: nic</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122498</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But isn&#039;t that more a case of &quot;you&#039;re damned if you do and you&#039;re damned if your don&#039;t&quot;. I mean I don&#039;t think withdrawing aid from these countries would cause their rulers to behave any better. So while we can doubt the benefit of foreign aid, I am not sure you can claim it is instrumental in causing bad governance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t that more a case of &#8220;you&#8217;re damned if you do and you&#8217;re damned if your don&#8217;t&#8221;. I mean I don&#8217;t think withdrawing aid from these countries would cause their rulers to behave any better. So while we can doubt the benefit of foreign aid, I am not sure you can claim it is instrumental in causing bad governance.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122497</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had always commented to anyone that could bear to listen on how foriegn aid, instead of doing any much vaunted good, actually is the worst of all things for Africa, not so much because it causes the people of the relelvant countries to lose their will to work and produce, but, far more dangerously, it causes their rulers to lose the will to run a prosperous nation. They get billions from the west, so why bother enouraging the formation of an economy in their own countries! Instead they murder and plunder at will, thus totally devastating their own countries with no need to regard future consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had always commented to anyone that could bear to listen on how foriegn aid, instead of doing any much vaunted good, actually is the worst of all things for Africa, not so much because it causes the people of the relelvant countries to lose their will to work and produce, but, far more dangerously, it causes their rulers to lose the will to run a prosperous nation. They get billions from the west, so why bother enouraging the formation of an economy in their own countries! Instead they murder and plunder at will, thus totally devastating their own countries with no need to regard future consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wickstein</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122496</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wickstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Try saying that to William the Conqueror!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try saying that to William the Conqueror!</p>
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		<title>By: mandrill</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122495</link>
		<dc:creator>mandrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dearieme has a point, there was no &lt;i&gt;British&lt;/i&gt; monarchy in the 11th century. There was barely even an english one. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dearieme has a point, there was no <i>British</i> monarchy in the 11th century. There was barely even an english one. </p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2006/08/bruce-bueno-de/#comment-122494</link>
		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the British monarchy in the 11th century&quot;: the what?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the British monarchy in the 11th century&#8221;: the what?</p>
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