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		<title>By: Denise W</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/05/outflanking-the-eurosceptics/#comment-78892</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 04:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete- &quot;El Presidente of the Reich...pushing his Turd Way schtick&quot; LOL!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete- &#8220;El Presidente of the Reich&#8230;pushing his Turd Way schtick&#8221; LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: The Last Toryboy</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/05/outflanking-the-eurosceptics/#comment-78891</link>
		<dc:creator>The Last Toryboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Denis McShame is merely the babbling eurofanatic of the left.  

Fortunately Gordon Brown, who really runs the country, is not one of those.  About the only truly good thing that can be said about him.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denis McShame is merely the babbling eurofanatic of the left.  </p>
<p>Fortunately Gordon Brown, who really runs the country, is not one of those.  About the only truly good thing that can be said about him.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/05/outflanking-the-eurosceptics/#comment-78890</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has McShane just invented the Progressive Centre?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has McShane just invented the Progressive Centre?</p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/05/outflanking-the-eurosceptics/#comment-78889</link>
		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete_London - I&#039;d take issue with you.  &quot;Collaboratively&quot; is not a Blair word. It&#039;s got too many syllables.

Second, it isn&#039;t muddled enough.  &quot;We need a new 3-way historic compromise between economy, society and environment.&quot;  Too precise.  Blair cannot think in those terms.  

Blair&#039;s comments would be &quot;Tragedy.  Europe.  French.  Democracy.  Freedom to choose.  Future.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete_London &#8211; I&#8217;d take issue with you.  &#8220;Collaboratively&#8221; is not a Blair word. It&#8217;s got too many syllables.</p>
<p>Second, it isn&#8217;t muddled enough.  &#8220;We need a new 3-way historic compromise between economy, society and environment.&#8221;  Too precise.  Blair cannot think in those terms.  </p>
<p>Blair&#8217;s comments would be &#8220;Tragedy.  Europe.  French.  Democracy.  Freedom to choose.  Future.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: R C Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/05/outflanking-the-eurosceptics/#comment-78888</link>
		<dc:creator>R C Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, Philip, do not dignify that dog&#039;s breakfast of a document with the capital &quot;C&quot;.  That should be reserved for the Constitution which, for a while at least, stood as a monument to liberty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, Philip, do not dignify that dog&#8217;s breakfast of a document with the capital &#8220;C&#8221;.  That should be reserved for the Constitution which, for a while at least, stood as a monument to liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete_London</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/05/outflanking-the-eurosceptics/#comment-78887</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete_London</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever will happen, it should be remembered that McShane is a grade A, top level Euro-Nutter. However, we can see where the final bit came from:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot; ... We need a new 3-way historic compromise between economy, society and environment. Unfortunately we only hear the shrill protectionism and rejectionism of those who know how to say No to the future rather than work collaboratively to build a new Europe.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope this shock will force pro-Europeans to unite and defeat the reactionary forces of the left and right who have unleashed a politics of fear in place of the hope all Europeans need,&quot; McShane added.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

That must have come from Blair. It&#039;s his language. He&#039;s about to take his turn as El Presidente of the Reich and we can expect 6 months of him pushing this Turd Way schtick. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever will happen, it should be remembered that McShane is a grade A, top level Euro-Nutter. However, we can see where the final bit came from:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8221; &#8230; We need a new 3-way historic compromise between economy, society and environment. Unfortunately we only hear the shrill protectionism and rejectionism of those who know how to say No to the future rather than work collaboratively to build a new Europe.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>I hope this shock will force pro-Europeans to unite and defeat the reactionary forces of the left and right who have unleashed a politics of fear in place of the hope all Europeans need,&#8221; McShane added.</p></blockquote>
<p>That must have come from Blair. It&#8217;s his language. He&#8217;s about to take his turn as El Presidente of the Reich and we can expect 6 months of him pushing this Turd Way schtick. </p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/05/outflanking-the-eurosceptics/#comment-78886</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Improved Crappo With Meaty Goodness and Added Vitamins.
We don&#039;t want strong leadership, we want them to sod off!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Improved Crappo With Meaty Goodness and Added Vitamins.<br />
We don&#8217;t want strong leadership, we want them to sod off!</p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/05/outflanking-the-eurosceptics/#comment-78885</link>
		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most frightening words citizens of European countries have had to endure over the last 50 years, repeated here in a simplicity we kindly assign to congenital idiocy, from Dennis Mcshane:  &quot;We will have to begin again.&quot;

Oh, god, n-n-n-n-n-n-0000!  [Insert in your minds, Munchk&#039;s The Scream.]

Says Philip:  &lt;em&gt;  The Eurosceptic critique of the project needs to respond to the flanking movement of pro-Europeans like McShane, who borrow their ideas in order to promote different conclusions. Like some grinning, drooling revenant, that refuses to die, unlike the rest of the reactionaries that pass for social democrats these days, the Third Way has been resurrected as an unlikely combination of welfarism, market economics and environmentalism to provide a new moral backbone for coercion in the name of the public good that is Europe.  &lt;/em&gt;

I couldn&#039;t have said it any better.

The good news is that cheerful chappie &quot;Lord&quot; - I didn&#039;t realise he&#039;d got lordified - Neil Kinnock says in yestereday&#039;s Telegraph that the whole project&#039;s dead in the water.  Finished.  Screw those years milking the system in Belgium for hundreds of thousands of pounds a year of taxpayers&#039; contribution; and his wife also on the milking stool.  The glory days, thinks Kinnock, are over!  But what a great ride, eh?  Fabulous bank accounts in Luxembourg, a title - a bit of all right, eh?  But finished.  

Poor Dennis Mcshane, still hoping to get his.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most frightening words citizens of European countries have had to endure over the last 50 years, repeated here in a simplicity we kindly assign to congenital idiocy, from Dennis Mcshane:  &#8220;We will have to begin again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, god, n-n-n-n-n-n-0000!  [Insert in your minds, Munchk's The Scream.]</p>
<p>Says Philip:  <em>  The Eurosceptic critique of the project needs to respond to the flanking movement of pro-Europeans like McShane, who borrow their ideas in order to promote different conclusions. Like some grinning, drooling revenant, that refuses to die, unlike the rest of the reactionaries that pass for social democrats these days, the Third Way has been resurrected as an unlikely combination of welfarism, market economics and environmentalism to provide a new moral backbone for coercion in the name of the public good that is Europe.  </em></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t have said it any better.</p>
<p>The good news is that cheerful chappie &#8220;Lord&#8221; &#8211; I didn&#8217;t realise he&#8217;d got lordified &#8211; Neil Kinnock says in yestereday&#8217;s Telegraph that the whole project&#8217;s dead in the water.  Finished.  Screw those years milking the system in Belgium for hundreds of thousands of pounds a year of taxpayers&#8217; contribution; and his wife also on the milking stool.  The glory days, thinks Kinnock, are over!  But what a great ride, eh?  Fabulous bank accounts in Luxembourg, a title &#8211; a bit of all right, eh?  But finished.  </p>
<p>Poor Dennis Mcshane, still hoping to get his.</p>
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