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		<title>By: staghounds</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/02/finest-hour-last-gasp-or-both/#comment-71723</link>
		<dc:creator>staghounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was not permitted to watch television as a child. My parents knew it would rot my mind, and they were right. But of course I wanted to, every other American child  did and it was forbidden fruit.

I will never forget the day when they got me out of bed and sat me down in front of it and made me watch for four hours.  It was the first time I had ever been permitted, and this was a COMMAND.

It was Churchill&#039;s funeral. They told me that this was the funeral of the greatest man that they ever knew, ant though I did not understand now, I would someday.

 I was 7.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not permitted to watch television as a child. My parents knew it would rot my mind, and they were right. But of course I wanted to, every other American child  did and it was forbidden fruit.</p>
<p>I will never forget the day when they got me out of bed and sat me down in front of it and made me watch for four hours.  It was the first time I had ever been permitted, and this was a COMMAND.</p>
<p>It was Churchill&#8217;s funeral. They told me that this was the funeral of the greatest man that they ever knew, ant though I did not understand now, I would someday.</p>
<p> I was 7.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/02/finest-hour-last-gasp-or-both/#comment-71722</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Findlay Dunachie: &lt;i&gt;The USA could only have acquiesced in this state of affairs. It might ultimately have collided with Japan, but yet have taken no action while that power absorbed the Far Eastern possessions of the Dutch, French and British and turned China into a helpless puppet.&lt;/i&gt;

The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, not on a lark, but because they understood that Uncle Sam would not stand aside as the overseas possessions of the defeated European powers fell into unfriendly hands. The United States was leery of getting involved in European wars, but was very cognizant of its interests in the Far East, having financed and supplied an entire Air Force to the Chinese military during the Sino-Japanese war. The war with Japan ended later than the war with Germany mainly because 3/4 of the American war effort was devoted to fighting Hitler. Without a European war effort to support, Japan would have been on its knees far earlier, and victories over Japanese forces would have been crushing ones, perhaps involving American forces on the Chinese mainland, thus stifling in its crib the eventual emergence of viable Communist forces in several parts of East Asia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Findlay Dunachie: <i>The USA could only have acquiesced in this state of affairs. It might ultimately have collided with Japan, but yet have taken no action while that power absorbed the Far Eastern possessions of the Dutch, French and British and turned China into a helpless puppet.</i></p>
<p>The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, not on a lark, but because they understood that Uncle Sam would not stand aside as the overseas possessions of the defeated European powers fell into unfriendly hands. The United States was leery of getting involved in European wars, but was very cognizant of its interests in the Far East, having financed and supplied an entire Air Force to the Chinese military during the Sino-Japanese war. The war with Japan ended later than the war with Germany mainly because 3/4 of the American war effort was devoted to fighting Hitler. Without a European war effort to support, Japan would have been on its knees far earlier, and victories over Japanese forces would have been crushing ones, perhaps involving American forces on the Chinese mainland, thus stifling in its crib the eventual emergence of viable Communist forces in several parts of East Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/02/finest-hour-last-gasp-or-both/#comment-71721</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary Gunnels: &lt;i&gt;Yet, the U.S. firebombing of Japan is probably far more morally troubling than the atomic bomb attacks.&lt;/i&gt;

All too true. It would be far less morally troublesome if your kin had been slaughtered trying to get a foothold on the beaches of Honshu.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Gunnels: <i>Yet, the U.S. firebombing of Japan is probably far more morally troubling than the atomic bomb attacks.</i></p>
<p>All too true. It would be far less morally troublesome if your kin had been slaughtered trying to get a foothold on the beaches of Honshu.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Buehner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Buehner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Family is allowed to be ungrateful. Moreover Britain pays us back with honor at every turn. I cant overstate the feeling of kinship and support i felt when Tony Blair came to Bush&#039;s speech to the joint session of congress after 911.  Im not ashamed to admit my eyes were not dry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Family is allowed to be ungrateful. Moreover Britain pays us back with honor at every turn. I cant overstate the feeling of kinship and support i felt when Tony Blair came to Bush&#8217;s speech to the joint session of congress after 911.  Im not ashamed to admit my eyes were not dry.</p>
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		<title>By: Findlay Dunachie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Findlay Dunachie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Squander Two:

How absolutely fascinating - I&#039;ve never heard anything of it.  And thanks for bringing us back on topic!

Doug Collins (first of all the messages):

Did you get my message to you that Airey Neave wrote &quot;The Flames of Calais&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squander Two:</p>
<p>How absolutely fascinating &#8211; I&#8217;ve never heard anything of it.  And thanks for bringing us back on topic!</p>
<p>Doug Collins (first of all the messages):</p>
<p>Did you get my message to you that Airey Neave wrote &#8220;The Flames of Calais&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: D Anghelone</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Anghelone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What? A melodramatic war movie? I do have to admit that movie sort of falls apart at the end; still I enjoyed it immensely. Plus there is the advantage of seeing the war through Korean eyes.&lt;/i&gt;

I saw one other some time ago that could have been US flik from the &#039;80s. Korean Vietnam war vet wrecked by the experience. Nothing, IMO, to commend it other than it being Korean.

&lt;i&gt;Yeah, No Man&#039;s Land was a great movie. Very much in the spirit of the great German movies Das Boot and Stalingrad. I can never get out of my mind those poor bastard German grunts freezing to death in the snow.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;No Man&#039;s Land&lt;/i&gt; was supposed to be comedic or satirical or somesuch and did have some moments. The French officer asking the German EOD if he spoke French and getting a &quot;Nein.&quot; The French Sergeant then giving a resigned, &quot;English, of course.&quot; and getting an affirmative. Says a lot.

&lt;i&gt;I remember watching a documentary a few years ago where one of the Japanese engineers on that project was interviewed (indeed he toured areas where the railway stood or still exists) and the level of denial the man was in was astounding to watch.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah. We eventually own up to everything we should and everything we shouldn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What? A melodramatic war movie? I do have to admit that movie sort of falls apart at the end; still I enjoyed it immensely. Plus there is the advantage of seeing the war through Korean eyes.</i></p>
<p>I saw one other some time ago that could have been US flik from the &#8217;80s. Korean Vietnam war vet wrecked by the experience. Nothing, IMO, to commend it other than it being Korean.</p>
<p><i>Yeah, No Man&#8217;s Land was a great movie. Very much in the spirit of the great German movies Das Boot and Stalingrad. I can never get out of my mind those poor bastard German grunts freezing to death in the snow.</i></p>
<p><i>No Man&#8217;s Land</i> was supposed to be comedic or satirical or somesuch and did have some moments. The French officer asking the German EOD if he spoke French and getting a &#8220;Nein.&#8221; The French Sergeant then giving a resigned, &#8220;English, of course.&#8221; and getting an affirmative. Says a lot.</p>
<p><i>I remember watching a documentary a few years ago where one of the Japanese engineers on that project was interviewed (indeed he toured areas where the railway stood or still exists) and the level of denial the man was in was astounding to watch.</i></p>
<p>Yeah. We eventually own up to everything we should and everything we shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: D Anghelone</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Anghelone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary,

Haven&#039;t seen &lt;i&gt;To End All Wars&lt;/i&gt; but will look for it. 

Couldn&#039;t recall the name before but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390468/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;September Tapes&lt;/a&gt; is another good one. Extra credit for the sheer balls of going to Afghanistan and, like &lt;i&gt;Tae Guk Gi&lt;/i&gt;, good effects on a shoestring budget.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen <i>To End All Wars</i> but will look for it. </p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t recall the name before but <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390468/" rel="nofollow">September Tapes</a> is another good one. Extra credit for the sheer balls of going to Afghanistan and, like <i>Tae Guk Gi</i>, good effects on a shoestring budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very late to this.  Sorry.


&lt;i&gt;&gt; The famous &quot;calling off&quot; by Hitler of Rundstedt&#039;s advance on Dunkirk remains (to me) unexplained.&lt;/i&gt;

A few years ago, a book turned up in an old second-hand bookshop that shed some new light on that.  It was a German soldier&#039;s map, printed in Berlin, that had probably been taken as a souvenir by some British soldier and sat around in an attic for half a century.  What it showed, bizarrely enough, was rather a lot of swamp where we know there is none, in the approach to Dunkirk.  Since the map was produced by the German military, it is entirely possible that Hitler had the same erroneous information, and stopped the advance to prevent the tanks getting boged down in a swamp that wasn&#039;t there.

Quite why the Germans would have a map that was so spectacularly wrong regarding an area of the world that wasn&#039;t exactly &quot;Here be dragons territory&quot;, I have no idea.  I&#039;d like to think it was MI6 at work, but that would be pure speculation.

My dad always says that the British have never forgiven the Americans for helping us to win two world wars.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very late to this.  Sorry.</p>
<p><i>> The famous &#8220;calling off&#8221; by Hitler of Rundstedt&#8217;s advance on Dunkirk remains (to me) unexplained.</i></p>
<p>A few years ago, a book turned up in an old second-hand bookshop that shed some new light on that.  It was a German soldier&#8217;s map, printed in Berlin, that had probably been taken as a souvenir by some British soldier and sat around in an attic for half a century.  What it showed, bizarrely enough, was rather a lot of swamp where we know there is none, in the approach to Dunkirk.  Since the map was produced by the German military, it is entirely possible that Hitler had the same erroneous information, and stopped the advance to prevent the tanks getting boged down in a swamp that wasn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>Quite why the Germans would have a map that was so spectacularly wrong regarding an area of the world that wasn&#8217;t exactly &#8220;Here be dragons territory&#8221;, I have no idea.  I&#8217;d like to think it was MI6 at work, but that would be pure speculation.</p>
<p>My dad always says that the British have never forgiven the Americans for helping us to win two world wars.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gunnels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Gunnels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[D Anghelone,

There&#039;s a movie about the &quot;The Death Railway&quot; the Japanese built in Burma-Thailand I&#039;ve noticed at the video store lately titled &lt;i&gt;To End All Wars&lt;/i&gt;.  Have you seen it?

I remember watching a documentary a few years ago where one of the Japanese engineers on that project was interviewed (indeed he toured areas where the railway stood or still exists) and the level of denial the man was in was astounding to watch.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D Anghelone,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a movie about the &#8220;The Death Railway&#8221; the Japanese built in Burma-Thailand I&#8217;ve noticed at the video store lately titled <i>To End All Wars</i>.  Have you seen it?</p>
<p>I remember watching a documentary a few years ago where one of the Japanese engineers on that project was interviewed (indeed he toured areas where the railway stood or still exists) and the level of denial the man was in was astounding to watch.  </p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gunnels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Gunnels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[D Anghelone,

What?  A melodramatic war movie?  I do have to admit that movie sort of falls apart at the end; still I enjoyed it immensely.  Plus there is the advantage of seeing the war through Korean eyes.  

The extras DVD has a number of interviews with South Korean soldiers concerning their experiences during the war.  

Yeah, &lt;i&gt;No Man&#039;s Land&lt;/i&gt; was a great movie.  Very much in the spirit of the great German movies &lt;i&gt;Das Boot&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;/i&gt;Stalingrad&lt;/i&gt;.  I can never get out of my mind those poor bastard German grunts freezing to death in the snow.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D Anghelone,</p>
<p>What?  A melodramatic war movie?  I do have to admit that movie sort of falls apart at the end; still I enjoyed it immensely.  Plus there is the advantage of seeing the war through Korean eyes.  </p>
<p>The extras DVD has a number of interviews with South Korean soldiers concerning their experiences during the war.  </p>
<p>Yeah, <i>No Man&#8217;s Land</i> was a great movie.  Very much in the spirit of the great German movies <i>Das Boot</i> and Stalingrad.  I can never get out of my mind those poor bastard German grunts freezing to death in the snow.  </p>
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		<title>By: D Anghelone</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2005/02/finest-hour-last-gasp-or-both/#comment-71713</link>
		<dc:creator>D Anghelone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unitedartists.com/nomansland/index2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No Man&#039;s Land&lt;/a&gt; is also good but in a different vein. Sod off, Kofi!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.unitedartists.com/nomansland/index2.html" rel="nofollow">No Man&#8217;s Land</a> is also good but in a different vein. Sod off, Kofi!</p>
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		<title>By: D Anghelone</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Anghelone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If you are interested in a great war movie (meaning a movie that doesn&#039;t treat war as a glorious parade) you should rent Tae Guk Gi.&lt;/i&gt;

The story&#039;s a bit sappy but the battle scenes are excellent. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you are interested in a great war movie (meaning a movie that doesn&#8217;t treat war as a glorious parade) you should rent Tae Guk Gi.</i></p>
<p>The story&#8217;s a bit sappy but the battle scenes are excellent. </p>
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