Comments on: The friend of my enemy is my enemy http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/ A blog for people with a critically rational individualist perspective Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:19:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Verity http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58522 Verity Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:55:14 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58522 M. Simon – of course I’ve read the whole thread before commenting on it. Was it sarcasm that Bush is to send strategists to help Blair blag his way into office, or the real thing? I don’t get your comment.

]]> By: M. Simon http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58521 M. Simon Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:48:54 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58521 Verity,

Sarcasm impaired? Or perhaps you have not read the whole thread.

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]]> By: Verity http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58520 Verity Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:12:58 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58520 M. Simon – I didn’t know Bush was sending over strategists to help Tone. I am absolutely astounded. My respect for him has plummetted so fast I went giddy at the ride.

]]> By: M. Simon http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58519 M. Simon Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:34:07 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58519 I’m Jewish. And long time poster here.

I have never seen anything anti-Jewish here. (aside from the occasional moonbat). And my antenna are always up.

Tory policy seems incoherent.

Evidently the Jews are not in charge :-)

OTOH considering the incoherent American Democrats are the “Jewish” party perhaps I will have to re-evaluate. :-)

In any case it is policy not religion that is the problem.

]]> By: M. Simon http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58518 M. Simon Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:23:08 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58518 To show support for the British system Bush is going to send campaign workers to help out old Tone.

Sound logic that.

]]> By: Stephen Hodgson http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58517 Stephen Hodgson Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:30:41 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58517 Andrew Ian Dodge: I think any CF member who publically comes out in support of Kerry who is a staff member of CCO or any Tory MP should be sacked. Simple as that.

I completely agree. I wonder if any attempts have been made to sack CF members who are employed by CCO or by MPs and who have shown nonsensical dissent by openly backing Kerry and, in some cases, actively campaigning against Bush.

]]> By: Verity http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58516 Verity Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:23:13 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58516 Why doesn’t he want to sack them? He should also sack the people who are holding him back. You are right. If they squabble and vendetta themselves into another defeat, they are finished as a party.

Being placatory and conciliatory didn’t get John Major anywhere. Given that he is vastly more intelligent, and a vastly more wily politician, than John Major, why is he going the John Major route?

]]> By: Andrew Ian Dodge http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58515 Andrew Ian Dodge Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:09:49 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58515 I think any CF member who publically comes out in support of Kerry who is a staff member of CCO or any Tory MP should be sacked. Simple as that.

As far as I can tell, and from what I have been told, Howard does want to put the smack down on the fools in all parts of the part apparatus. He is being held back by someone or a group of people. One sometimes wonder whether they actually want the Tory Party to cease to be.

Another defeat like the last G.E. and I am not sure the Tory Party will survive.

]]> By: Verity http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58514 Verity Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:25:08 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58514 Andrew Ian Dodge. Agreed. Howard’s instincts are in the right place, but he cannot allow any more squabbling and ferrets in a sack, so he’s had to soft pedal to tamp down the cannibalistic tendencies of the deeply stupid. The minute he tries to impose real discipline, the newspapers (including, sadly, The Telegraph), will take their cue from Phony Bliar and say he’s lurching to the right and the Tories are tearing themselves apart. I think withdrawing the whip from three or four of them might shut them up.

This surely would be a salutary move, because he would fear the opinion of his constituents. He also needs to fire some people, just for the hell of it. Trying to be a conciliator with these people only hands control to them. The electorate wants a strong leader.

He shouldn’t be having to be distracted by all these fleas, because he is brilliant and can trash Tony Blair and make him look like the opportunistic fool that he is. If some of these Tories who will do anything to get a soundbite on the news want to commit suicide, Howard may just as well murder them and get them out of the way.

]]> By: Andrew Ian Dodge http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58513 Andrew Ian Dodge Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:56:42 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58513 I have a great admiration for Howard, despite some of the daft things he has done of late. I do, however, worry that the changes he promised would be made to the party apparatus have not been made and that CCO continues to be a party within a party. Activists and MPs staff still get treated badly by CCO employees.

Alas, he hasn’t got much time to get it sorted. Britain needs a strong party of the right (whether it is called the Conservatives or not is irrelevant) and currently they don’t have it.

]]> By: Verity http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58512 Verity Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:28:38 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58512 Shawn, maybe I’m insensitive, but I have never detected an anti-Jewish attitude among commenters on Samizdata. The general tenor of most posts where Judaism is mentioned is warm regard for Jews as a race, and almost all of us seem to be broadly pro-Israel.

Not that I’m suggesting that Jews or Israel are beyond criticism. I don’t like Oliver Letwin, but not because he’s Jewish. I don’t like him on his own account. But I’m a big fan of Michael Howard – not just for his awesome intelligence, but because he has patience and tenacity. I would be thrilled to see him as PM and I think it could happen.

]]> By: Andrew Ian Dodge http://www.samizdata.net/2004/08/the-friend-of-my-enemy-is-my-e/#comment-58511 Andrew Ian Dodge Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:28:35 +0000 http://192.168.200.139/?p=6592#comment-58511 The CF daftness gets even better. A commenter on Dodgeblogium describes some more young Tory idiocy. And they shut down the YCs for its bad reputation (which meant we knew how to have a good time).

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