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		<title>By: Perry de Havilland</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50317</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry de Havilland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Jez, are you saying that it was only Thatcher that caused the mining, shipbuilding, aviation and car manufacturing industries to be uncompetitive dinosaurs?  If Thatcher had not come around, the UK and not Korea, would be the shipbuilding centre of the world?  Was it Thatcher, rather than the the insane nationalisations of the 1970&#039;s that gutted the UK&#039;s aero industry?  Are you of the view that it made economic sence to have the vast numbers of coal mines that existed in the UK before Thatcher?

If you indeed do think those things, please explain why.  and while you are at it, please also explain why the per capita GDP is so much higher since the decline of UK manufacturing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Jez, are you saying that it was only Thatcher that caused the mining, shipbuilding, aviation and car manufacturing industries to be uncompetitive dinosaurs?  If Thatcher had not come around, the UK and not Korea, would be the shipbuilding centre of the world?  Was it Thatcher, rather than the the insane nationalisations of the 1970&#8242;s that gutted the UK&#8217;s aero industry?  Are you of the view that it made economic sence to have the vast numbers of coal mines that existed in the UK before Thatcher?</p>
<p>If you indeed do think those things, please explain why.  and while you are at it, please also explain why the per capita GDP is so much higher since the decline of UK manufacturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jez Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50316</link>
		<dc:creator>Jez Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i wish her dead.  i am sorry, that may appear extreme but she killed this country in terms of its ability to exist as a manufacturing nation and yet she created a belief amongst the (previously) working classes of empowerment that lead to teacher beatings and the rise of the chavs.  my spirits will be lifted enormously when she breathes her last breath  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wish her dead.  i am sorry, that may appear extreme but she killed this country in terms of its ability to exist as a manufacturing nation and yet she created a belief amongst the (previously) working classes of empowerment that lead to teacher beatings and the rise of the chavs.  my spirits will be lifted enormously when she breathes her last breath  </p>
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		<title>By: Wild Pegasus</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50315</link>
		<dc:creator>Wild Pegasus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2004 02:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God save the Baroness.

- Josh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God save the Baroness.</p>
<p>- Josh</p>
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		<title>By: DSpears</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50314</link>
		<dc:creator>DSpears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2004 14:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strictly speaking it is fundamentally against pure Libertarian principles to deify any politician. As an American I view the American ideal of embodied in the Constitution as something that has somewhat successfully wheathered the string of mediocrities, thinly disguised tyrants and plain crooks who have occupied the White House and the halls of Congress, not flourished because of them.

The compromises inherent in getting elected by a popular majority will inevitably mean that no politician can be completely embody everything we want from them. They will always disappoint us if we set ourselves up this way. Remember, at their heart they are all politicians, a profession I have little respect for.  

I can fantasize for a moment that if Reagan for instance had had full discretion (i.e., didn&#039;t have to shove everything through a hostile congress) that his 8 years would have ended with everything I wanted from my government (or even less!). But of course that would mean he would have been a virtual dictator, which is bad even if the dictator enacts all policies which you would agree with. 

In short if history really does depend on the right person being in the right elected office at the right time, eventually we are all doomed. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strictly speaking it is fundamentally against pure Libertarian principles to deify any politician. As an American I view the American ideal of embodied in the Constitution as something that has somewhat successfully wheathered the string of mediocrities, thinly disguised tyrants and plain crooks who have occupied the White House and the halls of Congress, not flourished because of them.</p>
<p>The compromises inherent in getting elected by a popular majority will inevitably mean that no politician can be completely embody everything we want from them. They will always disappoint us if we set ourselves up this way. Remember, at their heart they are all politicians, a profession I have little respect for.  </p>
<p>I can fantasize for a moment that if Reagan for instance had had full discretion (i.e., didn&#8217;t have to shove everything through a hostile congress) that his 8 years would have ended with everything I wanted from my government (or even less!). But of course that would mean he would have been a virtual dictator, which is bad even if the dictator enacts all policies which you would agree with. </p>
<p>In short if history really does depend on the right person being in the right elected office at the right time, eventually we are all doomed. </p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50313</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2004 03:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Euan wrote: &quot;Start advocating things like privatising the police and flogging off the navy to the highest bidder and see how the electorate treat you&quot;

Since when are either of these libertarian polcies?

Anarchist policies sure, but not libertarian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Euan wrote: &#8220;Start advocating things like privatising the police and flogging off the navy to the highest bidder and see how the electorate treat you&#8221;</p>
<p>Since when are either of these libertarian polcies?</p>
<p>Anarchist policies sure, but not libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50312</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2004 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I second Dan&#039;s sentiments. I also believe we Americans have been blessed with having George W. Bush arrive when he did and, by so close a margin. There can hardly be any doubt that, had Albert Gore been elected President, we would still be negotiating with the corrupt UN... to invade Afghanistan! And, that a good many more mega-terror attacks would have occurred while we dithered.

Anyway, God bless Lady Thatcher and God bless the Anglosphere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Dan&#8217;s sentiments. I also believe we Americans have been blessed with having George W. Bush arrive when he did and, by so close a margin. There can hardly be any doubt that, had Albert Gore been elected President, we would still be negotiating with the corrupt UN&#8230; to invade Afghanistan! And, that a good many more mega-terror attacks would have occurred while we dithered.</p>
<p>Anyway, God bless Lady Thatcher and God bless the Anglosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50311</link>
		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2004 18:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David - I take your point, and I &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; say this idea entered my head six months after Blair got into office the first time and had begun acting like Louis the Sun King with his little lev&#233;es and soir&#233;es.

By the time the next election rolled round, I agree, he&#039;d got a handle on how to whack electoral dissent around the head and shoulders (by means of the blunt instruments of the EU and his deeply insulting &quot;consitutional reforms&quot;) without resorting to anything too dramatic.

That they have enervated the electoral process, as you correctly say, David, is now working against them, as the British are getting their appetite up for a fight and they don&#039;t want to have to pick their way through a thicket of cottonwool third way platitudes to get to the bits that are relevant to them.

In terms of the late departed &#039;Friends&#039;, Blair is Big Tenty Guy.  Millennium Domey guy.  &lt;em&gt;S-o-o-o&lt;/em&gt; not now guy ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; I take your point, and I <em>did</em> say this idea entered my head six months after Blair got into office the first time and had begun acting like Louis the Sun King with his little lev&eacute;es and soir&eacute;es.</p>
<p>By the time the next election rolled round, I agree, he&#8217;d got a handle on how to whack electoral dissent around the head and shoulders (by means of the blunt instruments of the EU and his deeply insulting &#8220;consitutional reforms&#8221;) without resorting to anything too dramatic.</p>
<p>That they have enervated the electoral process, as you correctly say, David, is now working against them, as the British are getting their appetite up for a fight and they don&#8217;t want to have to pick their way through a thicket of cottonwool third way platitudes to get to the bits that are relevant to them.</p>
<p>In terms of the late departed &#8216;Friends&#8217;, Blair is Big Tenty Guy.  Millennium Domey guy.  <em>S-o-o-o</em> not now guy &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Gillies</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50310</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2004 17:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Verity - I&#039;m reluctant to go that far. I think the really pernicious thing that New Labour has done is to enervate the democratic process so that while we may still have elections, so much of their power to choose those who make our laws (and what those laws should be) has been eroded by statutory instruments emanating from bureaucrats both foreign and domestic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verity &#8211; I&#8217;m reluctant to go that far. I think the really pernicious thing that New Labour has done is to enervate the democratic process so that while we may still have elections, so much of their power to choose those who make our laws (and what those laws should be) has been eroded by statutory instruments emanating from bureaucrats both foreign and domestic.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50309</link>
		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2004 09:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David - Nice story.  But:  &lt;em&gt;Had the Conservatives lost in 1979, I am sure that their inevitable rise to power would have only been delayed a bit.&lt;/em&gt;

Hmmm.  I&#039;m not so sure.  Because I am not so sure, with the fascist lefty mindset of the time, that there would have been regular elections thenceforth.  I have a feeling that a &quot;national emergency&quot; might have been employed to delay holding elections.  

I actually feared that Blair was going to try to pull something like this off - because he is so rigidly certain that he is the only person qualified to be the head of British government, and that his ideas have to be set in concrete whether the electorate likes it or not.  I emailed a friend after Blair had been in for around six months and he and the Tsarina had already began to coil themselves around ancient British liberties and start squeezing the life out of our body politic (as in curtailment of freedom of speech)  that I betted Blair would find a way to postpone the next election.

I still think it was his ambitions in Europe and his desire not to be seen as too Hitlerian on the continent which deterred him from trying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; Nice story.  But:  <em>Had the Conservatives lost in 1979, I am sure that their inevitable rise to power would have only been delayed a bit.</em></p>
<p>Hmmm.  I&#8217;m not so sure.  Because I am not so sure, with the fascist lefty mindset of the time, that there would have been regular elections thenceforth.  I have a feeling that a &#8220;national emergency&#8221; might have been employed to delay holding elections.  </p>
<p>I actually feared that Blair was going to try to pull something like this off &#8211; because he is so rigidly certain that he is the only person qualified to be the head of British government, and that his ideas have to be set in concrete whether the electorate likes it or not.  I emailed a friend after Blair had been in for around six months and he and the Tsarina had already began to coil themselves around ancient British liberties and start squeezing the life out of our body politic (as in curtailment of freedom of speech)  that I betted Blair would find a way to postpone the next election.</p>
<p>I still think it was his ambitions in Europe and his desire not to be seen as too Hitlerian on the continent which deterred him from trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McWiggins</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50308</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan McWiggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2004 01:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You British do some mad, bad and dangerous things. However, it appears that in the real pinch your Island luck always brings you through. How else to explain the appearance of Elizabeth I, Chatham, Churchill and Thatcher JUST when you needed them. God may not be an Englishman...but if he isn&#039;t, then He&#039;s definitely a Scot! 

Yes, I&#039;ll gladly hoist a glass to Lady Thatcher and sing a verse of &quot;Rule Britannia&quot; as well. I don&#039;t expect to see the United States have a better friend in my lifetime. May we never again need one so badly as we did her then. The evil fortune that has come on the Conservative Party since they so sleazily dumped that marvelous woman is nothing more than karmic retribution. She deserved much, much better than that. 

We all owe her and Ronald Reagan a great debt for their courage in adversity. I remember what it looked like in the late 70&#039;s under Carter and Callaghan. There was a sense that the West was failing, not so much because of the Communists but due to its own internal contradictions. What we desperately needed was inspirational, courageous leadership, and those two provided it in spades. What else could explain such vicious, violent, froth-mouthed vituperation from their enemies? Celebrate her while you can. It will probably be a long time before we see her like again.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You British do some mad, bad and dangerous things. However, it appears that in the real pinch your Island luck always brings you through. How else to explain the appearance of Elizabeth I, Chatham, Churchill and Thatcher JUST when you needed them. God may not be an Englishman&#8230;but if he isn&#8217;t, then He&#8217;s definitely a Scot! </p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ll gladly hoist a glass to Lady Thatcher and sing a verse of &#8220;Rule Britannia&#8221; as well. I don&#8217;t expect to see the United States have a better friend in my lifetime. May we never again need one so badly as we did her then. The evil fortune that has come on the Conservative Party since they so sleazily dumped that marvelous woman is nothing more than karmic retribution. She deserved much, much better than that. </p>
<p>We all owe her and Ronald Reagan a great debt for their courage in adversity. I remember what it looked like in the late 70&#8242;s under Carter and Callaghan. There was a sense that the West was failing, not so much because of the Communists but due to its own internal contradictions. What we desperately needed was inspirational, courageous leadership, and those two provided it in spades. What else could explain such vicious, violent, froth-mouthed vituperation from their enemies? Celebrate her while you can. It will probably be a long time before we see her like again.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sucher</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50307</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2004 00:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So many suits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many suits.</p>
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		<title>By: the dissident frogman</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/05/celebrating-the-iron-lady/#comment-50306</link>
		<dc:creator>the dissident frogman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2004 00:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leftist unions blocking one of the greatest country of Western Europe and sending it straight to the bottom of the Third World guest list, lines in front of the shops and rats in the streets of London, among other festivities.

Yet it would appear that she put and end to that and set the country back to the lead of prosperity - while incidentally my country, just on the other side of the channel kept sinking slowly - just for some to complain that &lt;em&gt;they can&#039;t get hardcore porn by mail?&lt;/em&gt;

If it urges you that much guys, why don&#039;t you just fly to France?

If the planes, trains, buses and roads aren&#039;t blocked by strikes, and if the print and press delivery staffs are indeed printing and delivering, you&#039;ll get all the filth your heart desire.

&#039;course, when I say &#039;heart&#039;...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftist unions blocking one of the greatest country of Western Europe and sending it straight to the bottom of the Third World guest list, lines in front of the shops and rats in the streets of London, among other festivities.</p>
<p>Yet it would appear that she put and end to that and set the country back to the lead of prosperity &#8211; while incidentally my country, just on the other side of the channel kept sinking slowly &#8211; just for some to complain that <em>they can&#8217;t get hardcore porn by mail?</em></p>
<p>If it urges you that much guys, why don&#8217;t you just fly to France?</p>
<p>If the planes, trains, buses and roads aren&#8217;t blocked by strikes, and if the print and press delivery staffs are indeed printing and delivering, you&#8217;ll get all the filth your heart desire.</p>
<p>&#8216;course, when I say &#8216;heart&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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