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		<title>By: Mr Optimistic</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/03/entering-gordons-black-hole/#comment-45722</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Optimistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just love this discussion.  Notice how Brown is now trying to blame OPEC for high fuel prices ?  Actually, as reported in yesterday&#039;s FT, there is a glut of crude  but tight petrol refining capacity.  The fellow-travellers at the BBC don&#039;t make mention of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just love this discussion.  Notice how Brown is now trying to blame OPEC for high fuel prices ?  Actually, as reported in yesterday&#8217;s FT, there is a glut of crude  but tight petrol refining capacity.  The fellow-travellers at the BBC don&#8217;t make mention of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvain Galineau</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/03/entering-gordons-black-hole/#comment-45721</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain Galineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy,

Oops. I forgot. Actually, the official explanation is the following : &lt;i&gt;The law states that no diversity visas shall be provided for natives of &quot;high admission&quot; countries. The law defines this to mean countries from which a total of 50,000 persons in the Family-Sponsored and Employment-Based visa categories immigrated to the United States during the previous five years.&lt;/i&gt; The UK is one of those. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy,</p>
<p>Oops. I forgot. Actually, the official explanation is the following : <i>The law states that no diversity visas shall be provided for natives of &#8220;high admission&#8221; countries. The law defines this to mean countries from which a total of 50,000 persons in the Family-Sponsored and Employment-Based visa categories immigrated to the United States during the previous five years.</i> The UK is one of those. </p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/03/entering-gordons-black-hole/#comment-45720</link>
		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We might have known that the dab hand of ace driver Teddy Kennedy was involved in this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might have known that the dab hand of ace driver Teddy Kennedy was involved in this.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/03/entering-gordons-black-hole/#comment-45719</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Wandering further off topic.)

I find it very hard to take anything branded &quot;diversity&quot; seriously.  In the 1770s there were plenty of Irish background, but they&#039;re not excluded.  (One more reason to swap to Irish nationality if possible, in addition to the excellent tax treatment of artists and writers.)  Welsh/Scottish/English ancestry must be a pretty small percentage of the contemporary US population.

A little googling found this:

&lt;em&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Oddly enough, the &quot;diversity&quot; lottery originated as a way to bring more whites to the United States. White ethnic politicians in America felt that their distant relatives in Europe had been squeezed out by chain migration from the Third World. So, natives of the 14 largest sources of legal immigrants ? such as Mexico, India and China ? are banned from participating. In particular, Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., saw a &quot;diversity&quot; lottery as a way to boost the number of legal Irish immigrants.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Fascinating, though I don&#039;t know how reliable the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/29/150259.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt; is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Wandering further off topic.)</p>
<p>I find it very hard to take anything branded &#8220;diversity&#8221; seriously.  In the 1770s there were plenty of Irish background, but they&#8217;re not excluded.  (One more reason to swap to Irish nationality if possible, in addition to the excellent tax treatment of artists and writers.)  Welsh/Scottish/English ancestry must be a pretty small percentage of the contemporary US population.</p>
<p>A little googling found this:</p>
<p><em><br />
<blockquote>Oddly enough, the &#8220;diversity&#8221; lottery originated as a way to bring more whites to the United States. White ethnic politicians in America felt that their distant relatives in Europe had been squeezed out by chain migration from the Third World. So, natives of the 14 largest sources of legal immigrants ? such as Mexico, India and China ? are banned from participating. In particular, Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., saw a &#8220;diversity&#8221; lottery as a way to boost the number of legal Irish immigrants.</p></blockquote>
<p></em> </p>
<p>Fascinating, though I don&#8217;t know how reliable the <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/29/150259.shtml" rel="nofollow">source</a> is.</p>
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		<title>By: David Mercer</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/03/entering-gordons-black-hole/#comment-45718</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because Guy, we were all British here until that little spat in the 1770&#039;s...who else would be last on the list of needing to be on a &#039;Diversity Lottery&#039;, at least if you take the premise of such a thing seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Guy, we were all British here until that little spat in the 1770&#8242;s&#8230;who else would be last on the list of needing to be on a &#8216;Diversity Lottery&#8217;, at least if you take the premise of such a thing seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/03/entering-gordons-black-hole/#comment-45717</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sylvain:

The British are expressly excluded from the Green Card Lottery.

Why?  [Fill in conspiracy theory here.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvain:</p>
<p>The British are expressly excluded from the Green Card Lottery.</p>
<p>Why?  [Fill in conspiracy theory here.]</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvain Galineau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvain Galineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy, 60% tax ? In NH ? Uh ? I pay 39% all included (Federal, Social Security etc). No state income tax in NH. But I work in Massachusetts, so I have ~5.8% extra. Otherwise, it would be around 35%. Actually a bit lower since I have 401k/retirement contributions which are not taxed and I&#039;m not including them in my net. 

You can also try the Green Card Lottery. It&#039;s a purely online deal now. Fill in the form, upload the picture. No costs.

As for large employers, the Free State Project could be a good start. Although I&#039;d recommend expanding your search to include evil Taxachusetts. At least initially....

As far as marriage, I&#039;ve spent 8 years here and I&#039;m still single so I can&#039;t really help you in that department...:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, 60% tax ? In NH ? Uh ? I pay 39% all included (Federal, Social Security etc). No state income tax in NH. But I work in Massachusetts, so I have ~5.8% extra. Otherwise, it would be around 35%. Actually a bit lower since I have 401k/retirement contributions which are not taxed and I&#8217;m not including them in my net. </p>
<p>You can also try the Green Card Lottery. It&#8217;s a purely online deal now. Fill in the form, upload the picture. No costs.</p>
<p>As for large employers, the Free State Project could be a good start. Although I&#8217;d recommend expanding your search to include evil Taxachusetts. At least initially&#8230;.</p>
<p>As far as marriage, I&#8217;ve spent 8 years here and I&#8217;m still single so I can&#8217;t really help you in that department&#8230;:)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[St Malo / Cherbourg / Calais is the way to go.
Your investments are placed in an offshore company. As you are not a citizen of France ( and not domiciled ) that company income attracts no tax, unlike a closed offshore company in the UK.
Yes, you pay French income tax on your worldwide income ( but lying is so much easier ), but this only includes what you take out of your investments, not whatever they are earning.
You can have 90 days a year in the UK, but days of arrival and departure do not count as one of those days. Early Eurostar into Waterloo, late out the next day and you haven&#039;t spent any time in the Uk for tax purposes. And you deduct the fare from your French tax return as it is obviously a business expense.
Of course, now that you don&#039;t need a residential permit to live in France, why declare anything ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>St Malo / Cherbourg / Calais is the way to go.<br />
Your investments are placed in an offshore company. As you are not a citizen of France ( and not domiciled ) that company income attracts no tax, unlike a closed offshore company in the UK.<br />
Yes, you pay French income tax on your worldwide income ( but lying is so much easier ), but this only includes what you take out of your investments, not whatever they are earning.<br />
You can have 90 days a year in the UK, but days of arrival and departure do not count as one of those days. Early Eurostar into Waterloo, late out the next day and you haven&#8217;t spent any time in the Uk for tax purposes. And you deduct the fare from your French tax return as it is obviously a business expense.<br />
Of course, now that you don&#8217;t need a residential permit to live in France, why declare anything ?</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2004/03/entering-gordons-black-hole/#comment-45714</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy:

&lt;em&gt;It&#039;s either that, or Henley&#039;s going to get an extra cash-only-guv taxi driver cum odd-job grasscutter/you name it guv, I&#039;ll do it, cash only, please, type body.&lt;/em&gt;

Better not buy anything with it.  Who do you think the extended money-laundering regulations are aimed at?  It&#039;s for plumbers and odd-job men.  Proper criminals actually launder the money.  It&#039;s about their only overhead.  They don&#039;t need to buy capital goods or pay rent to an estate agent in cash. 

&lt;em&gt;I wonder if that tax-subsidised tax-pensioned tax-consuming Boris Johnson needs someone to do his garden in Nettlebed? He better offer cash, as a lawnmower in the side of the limo often offends.&lt;/em&gt;

Until his accountant has to turn him in under the Proceeds of Crime Act.

It isn&#039;t legislative bricolage, you know.  It is gradual so as not to frighten the horses but joined-up government is in sight.

Next stop:  &quot;generalised anti-avoidance regulations&quot; = abolition of the fundamental rule of taxation law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy:</p>
<p><em>It&#8217;s either that, or Henley&#8217;s going to get an extra cash-only-guv taxi driver cum odd-job grasscutter/you name it guv, I&#8217;ll do it, cash only, please, type body.</em></p>
<p>Better not buy anything with it.  Who do you think the extended money-laundering regulations are aimed at?  It&#8217;s for plumbers and odd-job men.  Proper criminals actually launder the money.  It&#8217;s about their only overhead.  They don&#8217;t need to buy capital goods or pay rent to an estate agent in cash. </p>
<p><em>I wonder if that tax-subsidised tax-pensioned tax-consuming Boris Johnson needs someone to do his garden in Nettlebed? He better offer cash, as a lawnmower in the side of the limo often offends.</em></p>
<p>Until his accountant has to turn him in under the Proceeds of Crime Act.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t legislative bricolage, you know.  It is gradual so as not to frighten the horses but joined-up government is in sight.</p>
<p>Next stop:  &#8220;generalised anti-avoidance regulations&#8221; = abolition of the fundamental rule of taxation law.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gillies</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You poor bastards. All in all, I forfeit about 25% of my income to the government, and that&#039;s including sales taxes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You poor bastards. All in all, I forfeit about 25% of my income to the government, and that&#8217;s including sales taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Verity,

Thanks for thinking of me! :-)

Alas, the forces too terrible too mention, indoor sorts of forces, are simply too powerful.

The only thing I think will do the trick are for the film rights to my (eventually) forthcoming novel to be snapped up by a content-hungry Hollywood, for gadzillions, when I can finally get my New Hampshire residence and sail a small boat off Portsmouth to seek inspiration for the second trilogy, or some benevolent multi-billionaire offers me a position offshore for an amount not less than 150k a year (sterling) p.a. - though all other reasonable offers considered! $-)

I have to be able to make an offer to the forces involved which cannot be refused, in the face of all furious opinion against them.

It&#039;s either that, or Henley&#039;s going to get an extra cash-only-guv taxi driver cum odd-job grasscutter/you name it guv, I&#039;ll do it, cash only, please, type body.

That it should come to this, to even be considering this, is just an outrage, that we should be entering the Soviet position where everyone stops doing what they&#039;re best at, and starts doing what gets the state off their back the most, but at least we saw what happened to the Soviets when most of the non-government population dropped out to spend its time avoiding any kind of work the government could tax.

I&#039;m hoping the same will happen to Gordon when he crushes the self-employed sector on Wednesday.  He may get a few extra quid in the VERY short run, but in the medium and long run he&#039;s finished, as those falling tax revenues from those of us in the employed and self-employed sectors who actually &lt;em&gt;generate &lt;/em&gt;tax, rather than consuming it, fall even further.

The man with a brain the size of a planet, and he just &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t &lt;/em&gt;get it.  Well, sod him.

I wonder if that tax-subsidised tax-pensioned tax-consuming Boris Johnson needs someone to do his garden in Nettlebed?  He better offer cash, as a lawnmower in the side of the limo often offends.

Rgds,
AndyD]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Verity,</p>
<p>Thanks for thinking of me! <img src='http://www.samizdata.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Alas, the forces too terrible too mention, indoor sorts of forces, are simply too powerful.</p>
<p>The only thing I think will do the trick are for the film rights to my (eventually) forthcoming novel to be snapped up by a content-hungry Hollywood, for gadzillions, when I can finally get my New Hampshire residence and sail a small boat off Portsmouth to seek inspiration for the second trilogy, or some benevolent multi-billionaire offers me a position offshore for an amount not less than 150k a year (sterling) p.a. &#8211; though all other reasonable offers considered! $-)</p>
<p>I have to be able to make an offer to the forces involved which cannot be refused, in the face of all furious opinion against them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s either that, or Henley&#8217;s going to get an extra cash-only-guv taxi driver cum odd-job grasscutter/you name it guv, I&#8217;ll do it, cash only, please, type body.</p>
<p>That it should come to this, to even be considering this, is just an outrage, that we should be entering the Soviet position where everyone stops doing what they&#8217;re best at, and starts doing what gets the state off their back the most, but at least we saw what happened to the Soviets when most of the non-government population dropped out to spend its time avoiding any kind of work the government could tax.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping the same will happen to Gordon when he crushes the self-employed sector on Wednesday.  He may get a few extra quid in the VERY short run, but in the medium and long run he&#8217;s finished, as those falling tax revenues from those of us in the employed and self-employed sectors who actually <em>generate </em>tax, rather than consuming it, fall even further.</p>
<p>The man with a brain the size of a planet, and he just <em>doesn&#8217;t </em>get it.  Well, sod him.</p>
<p>I wonder if that tax-subsidised tax-pensioned tax-consuming Boris Johnson needs someone to do his garden in Nettlebed?  He better offer cash, as a lawnmower in the side of the limo often offends.</p>
<p>Rgds,<br />
AndyD</p>
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		<title>By: Verity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy, why don&#039;t you just move offshore and commute to Britain to work during the week?  It should be a very easy commute from St Malo or Calais.   In fact, you could work in Britain three or four days a week and do the rest of your work from your home in France or wherever.  Eurostar&#039;s expensive, but driving onto a ferry is cheap.

Also, I don&#039;t know what they are, but I understand there are tax advantages to living in the Isle of Man.

OK, it&#039;s not Henley, and you couldn&#039;t socialise with your beloved Boris so often, but everything has its price...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, why don&#8217;t you just move offshore and commute to Britain to work during the week?  It should be a very easy commute from St Malo or Calais.   In fact, you could work in Britain three or four days a week and do the rest of your work from your home in France or wherever.  Eurostar&#8217;s expensive, but driving onto a ferry is cheap.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t know what they are, but I understand there are tax advantages to living in the Isle of Man.</p>
<p>OK, it&#8217;s not Henley, and you couldn&#8217;t socialise with your beloved Boris so often, but everything has its price&#8230;</p>
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