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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25512</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would Australian aboriginies be allowed to use the British Coat of Arms on their business stationery with the words &quot;By appointment of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll &quot;? Why not? 

These symbols and words are not in the local &quot;trademarks&quot; or &quot;intellectual property&quot; data bases? Would the Royal family be called &quot;moral pygmies&quot; for claiming others refrain from using their Coat of Arms?

So why should Harry Harry be allowed to COPY (not create) a very distictive patterned lizard in his paintings -- which represents several tribes and clans from Western Australia? By doing so, he&#039;s denoting that he is associated with those tribes.

Aboriginal culture cannot be understood in the same way western culture is. This is not an intellectual property rights issue about &quot;logos&quot;, &quot;trademarks&quot;, &quot;property&quot; or &quot;ownership&quot;. Among other things, its about identity.

For two hundred years, the British govenment (and its representatives) have stolen aboriginal land, attempted genocide, discarded aboriginal culture and tradition and stolen aboriginal children. Surely we can refrain from stealing the one thing the aboriginal community has left: their personal spriritual and traditional language and stories all of which are rooted in these very distictive symbols.

If we can&#039;t do that, who is the real &quot;moral pygmies&quot;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would Australian aboriginies be allowed to use the British Coat of Arms on their business stationery with the words &#8220;By appointment of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll &#8220;? Why not? </p>
<p>These symbols and words are not in the local &#8220;trademarks&#8221; or &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; data bases? Would the Royal family be called &#8220;moral pygmies&#8221; for claiming others refrain from using their Coat of Arms?</p>
<p>So why should Harry Harry be allowed to COPY (not create) a very distictive patterned lizard in his paintings &#8212; which represents several tribes and clans from Western Australia? By doing so, he&#8217;s denoting that he is associated with those tribes.</p>
<p>Aboriginal culture cannot be understood in the same way western culture is. This is not an intellectual property rights issue about &#8220;logos&#8221;, &#8220;trademarks&#8221;, &#8220;property&#8221; or &#8220;ownership&#8221;. Among other things, its about identity.</p>
<p>For two hundred years, the British govenment (and its representatives) have stolen aboriginal land, attempted genocide, discarded aboriginal culture and tradition and stolen aboriginal children. Surely we can refrain from stealing the one thing the aboriginal community has left: their personal spriritual and traditional language and stories all of which are rooted in these very distictive symbols.</p>
<p>If we can&#8217;t do that, who is the real &#8220;moral pygmies&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan L</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25511</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Look at it this way: if somebody made an art sculpture that depicted a skinhead in the form of a fountain, eternally peeing upon the Union Jack, then some Brits might get irritated about the &quot;misappropriaton of their cutural symbols&quot;, too.&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps, but such a work of art could only be made for the purpose of upsetting Brits which is I think is a different matter all together. Personally I would just think that they are sad and should get out more often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Look at it this way: if somebody made an art sculpture that depicted a skinhead in the form of a fountain, eternally peeing upon the Union Jack, then some Brits might get irritated about the &#8220;misappropriaton of their cutural symbols&#8221;, too.</i></p>
<p>Perhaps, but such a work of art could only be made for the purpose of upsetting Brits which is I think is a different matter all together. Personally I would just think that they are sad and should get out more often.</p>
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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25510</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I said it before and some will call me deranged for saying it again, but, IMHO:

Itellectual Properety Rights = mental taxation.

I sure some taxes could be described as useful but in the main, many are not. This is one example that causes lost sleep for creative ideviduals and tends only to benefit lawyers.

Having fought and won several IPR cases I would still be more than happy to give up my rights if everybody else gave up theirs. While the idea may be reasonable (or perhaps reasonably argued) the results in many cases are less than understandable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said it before and some will call me deranged for saying it again, but, IMHO:</p>
<p>Itellectual Properety Rights = mental taxation.</p>
<p>I sure some taxes could be described as useful but in the main, many are not. This is one example that causes lost sleep for creative ideviduals and tends only to benefit lawyers.</p>
<p>Having fought and won several IPR cases I would still be more than happy to give up my rights if everybody else gave up theirs. While the idea may be reasonable (or perhaps reasonably argued) the results in many cases are less than understandable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25509</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exchem.com&quot; target=&quot;new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This link should work.&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.exchem.com" target="new" rel="nofollow">This link should work.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25508</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are &lt;a href=&quot;http://exchem.com&quot; target=&quot;new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Exchem&lt;/a&gt; planning to sue?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are <a href="http://exchem.com" target="new" rel="nofollow">Exchem</a> planning to sue?</p>
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		<title>By: CPatterson</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25507</link>
		<dc:creator>CPatterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The lizard is also a symbol widely used by south western American Indian tribes.  Will this lead to a battle between indigenous peoples as to whom the symbol is more sacred?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lizard is also a symbol widely used by south western American Indian tribes.  Will this lead to a battle between indigenous peoples as to whom the symbol is more sacred?</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25506</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But wouldn&#039;t that simply be interpreted as freedom of expression? After all, the artistic community thought Christians were out of line for protesting Andre Serranos&#039; &quot;Piss Christ.&quot; If the Aboriginals can sue over a lizard, why can&#039;t the Christians sue Serannos for defacing their symbol?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But wouldn&#8217;t that simply be interpreted as freedom of expression? After all, the artistic community thought Christians were out of line for protesting Andre Serranos&#8217; &#8220;Piss Christ.&#8221; If the Aboriginals can sue over a lizard, why can&#8217;t the Christians sue Serannos for defacing their symbol?</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25505</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at it this way: if somebody made an art sculpture that depicted a skinhead in the form of a fountain, eternally peeing upon the Union Jack, then some Brits might get irritated about the &quot;misappropriaton of their cutural symbols&quot;, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at it this way: if somebody made an art sculpture that depicted a skinhead in the form of a fountain, eternally peeing upon the Union Jack, then some Brits might get irritated about the &#8220;misappropriaton of their cutural symbols&#8221;, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan L</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25504</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its a little like complaining that Monet perverted a perfectly reasonable form of Art, English Landscapes, when he decided to paint out of focus and claim that it was something new. As a he was not English he obviously had no right to steal our heritage, Constable was painting ponds before him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a little like complaining that Monet perverted a perfectly reasonable form of Art, English Landscapes, when he decided to paint out of focus and claim that it was something new. As a he was not English he obviously had no right to steal our heritage, Constable was painting ponds before him.</p>
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		<title>By: Theodopoulos Pherecydes</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25503</link>
		<dc:creator>Theodopoulos Pherecydes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Pherecydes tartan is dominated by a sort of little boy blue and has a yellow stripe in it so I&#039;m not particularly fond of it, but I wouldn&#039;t like Henry IX appropriating it...or my lizard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pherecydes tartan is dominated by a sort of little boy blue and has a yellow stripe in it so I&#8217;m not particularly fond of it, but I wouldn&#8217;t like Henry IX appropriating it&#8230;or my lizard.</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25502</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The irony of that article is that it appears to be ripped off from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,2763,1021575,00.html&quot; target=&quot;new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Guardian&lt;/a&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of that article is that it appears to be ripped off from <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,2763,1021575,00.html" target="new" rel="nofollow">The Guardian</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Herbert</title>
		<link>http://www.samizdata.net/2003/08/aboriginal-get-original/#comment-25501</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To go through Eton--which &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a fine academic school--and come out with a B in art and a D in geography, shows an extraordinary level of all round ability and/or intellectual curiosity. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To go through Eton&#8211;which <i>is</i> a fine academic school&#8211;and come out with a B in art and a D in geography, shows an extraordinary level of all round ability and/or intellectual curiosity. </p>
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